From: petertrei@gmail.com   
      
   On 1/19/2026 2:35 PM, Tim Merrigan wrote:   
   > On 1/19/2026 6:56 AM, Bernard Peek wrote:   
   >> On 2026-01-19, Gary R. Schmidt  wrote:   
   >>> On 18/01/2026 09:50, Lawrence D’Oliveiro wrote:   
   >>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 16:15:22 -0500, Evelyn C. Leeper wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Yes, there are international standards. But when someone put a bunch   
   >>>>> of names in a spreadsheet and asked to have it sorted, it would   
   >>>>> blithely ignore those standards, and sort 'ch' as 'c' followed by   
   >>>>> 'h'.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That depends on your spreadsheet. The natural order (to humans,   
   >>>> anyway) is commonly called “phonebook” order.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> >>> ascii-unicode-order/87503/4>   
   >>>   
   >>> Whose 'phonebook????   
   >>>   
   >>> I remember adapting our SOUNDEX implementation back in the 1980s to   
   >>> (sensibly) deal with non-English names.  (At least I'd had a lot of   
   >>> practice with all the Greek migrants we had here in Oz, I remember   
   >>> ringing a friend from school and asking him to ask his parents, "What   
   >>> was the longest Greek surname they remembered?"  :-) )   
   >>   
   >> There are cultures where full names include a concatenated list of   
   >> ancestral   
   >> names.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   > I've heard of people using Scandinavian patronymics (the system still   
   > used in Iceland) like that, going back three or four generations (/or to   
   > the first one going back who was famous/).   
   >   
   This thread is discussing sub cases of the general problem   
   of 'internationalization'. Tim Scott did an entertaining   
   rundown of the broader problem, which I highly recommend.   
      
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j74jcxSunY   
      
   pt   
      
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