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   From: jimgysin@geemail.com   
      
   trag sent the following on 10/29/2009 10:49 AM:   
   > On Oct 28, 5:38 pm, Jim Gysin  wrote:   
   >> trag sent the following on 10/28/2009 12:26 PM:   
   >   
   >>> But that's society's interest is in   
   >>> making you as productive of new ideas as possible--not making it   
   >>> possible for you to sit on your ass after one good idea.   
   >> "Society's interest" be damned.  Society has no claim on me in this   
   >> regard.  All that society should be allowed to do is to *freely choose*   
   >> whether or not to support my attempts to "sit on my ass after one good   
   >> idea."   
   >   
   > If you don't want to share your idea with society, then don't show it   
   > to anyone.   
      
   Wrong.  Why should the creator be forced to accept an all-or-nothing   
   proposition just because some people are cheap asses who steal?   
      
   > That is the extent of your natural interest absent the   
   > artificial protections that the government happens to grant you.   
   > Society has no claim to force you to invent nor divulge your ideas.   
      
   Agreed.   
      
   > Once you've shown them to others, those others may copy them, alter   
   > them, adapt them to their hearts content, except that they've nicely   
   > agreed not to. so that you'll have an incentive to invent more   
   > things.   
      
   Exactly.  And the terms that they "nicely agree to" should be mutually   
   agreeable, and not thuggery forced on the creator by courts or a big   
   club.  Saying that the creator agreed to terms that he would not have   
   agreed to in the absence of said thuggery is nothing less than agreement   
   under duress.   
      
   > You seem to think that just because you had an idea it should be yours   
   > forever.   
      
   No, I'm not.  The word "song" is an idea, whereas a *specific* song is a   
   creation.  The word "book" is an idea, but FOR WHOM THE BELL TOLLS is a   
   creation.  Etc., etc.   
      
   No one person can own or lay claim to an *idea*, but a creation is   
   something else entirely.   
      
   > What about the guy who has the same idea a few hours later   
   > without seeing your work.   How are you going to share the rights with   
   > him?  He's just as creative as you are?   
      
   Get back to me the next time that happens, and I'll probably agree that   
   the two should share the proceeds *if* the scenario is as you describe.   
      Of course, the last time that happened was... um, when, exactly?   
      
   --   
   Jim Gysin   
   Waukesha, WI   
      
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