From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca
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Blueshirt wrote:
>For today's walk down RADW memory lane, and tie-in to the
>forthcoming re-appearance of the Sea Devils this weekend,
>we go back to their last appearance in 2022... this is how
>"Legend of the Sea Devils" went down here amongst our
>regulars.
>
>(Looking back: It's been a long three years!!!)
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>From: "solar penguin"
>Subject: Re: Legend of the Sea Devils
>Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 20:07:53 -0000 (UTC)
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>Well, that was flawed but fun.
>
>The pacing was a bit off, almost as if it had been written
>for an hour-long slot and then cut down by executive meddling
>by BBC bosses. (At least, I really , really hope that was
>the case, and not just Chibnall having trouble structuring
>the plot again!)
>
>The biggest flaw was that the young man seemed just
>a little bit too eager at the end to forgive the pirate queen
>for killing his father. Agreeing not to kill her in revenge,
>that makes sense. Joining her crew, not so much.
>
>I didn’t mind that the Sea Devils’ culture and technology
>had changed again. After all, the seventies and eighties
>Sea Devils were nothing like each other except for general
>appearance and origin story. This fits quite happily in with
>that lack of continuity.
>
>The Sea Devils’ plan didn’t seem to make much sense
>though. Why not just make a new keystone to replace
>the lost one? And how does reversing the Earth’s magnetic
>field cause stars to move before it’s even started happening?
>It’s probably just best to take it on trust that they’re doing
>Something Bad and that’s what matters.
>
>The Thasmin stuff wasn’t too embarrassing, even if it did
>feel a bit stuck on as an afterthought.
>
>And according to the trailer, the centenary episode is going
>to be full of fanwank. Even more fanwank than we expected.
>Should be interesting.
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>From: "The Last Doctor"
>Subject: Re: Legend of the Sea Devils
>Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 21:24:31 -0000 (UTC)
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>Should have been about 75 minutes I reckon, but there were some
>obvious cost cutting measures as well - fight scenes where you
>couldn’t see both combatants, not showing the sea monster
>clearly so that we couldn’t se how crap it was, only one fully
>animated Sea Devil (and they still couldn’t get its mouth to
>move).
>
>> The biggest flaw was that the young man seemed just
>> a little bit too eager at the end to forgive the pirate queen
>> for killing his father. Agreeing not to kill her in revenge,
>> that makes sense. Joining her crew, not so much.
>
>Yes, there was clearly meant to be a romance there that got left
>on the cutting room floor, or edited out of the script
>completely.
>
>> I didn’t mind that the Sea Devils’ culture and technology
>> had changed again.
>
>Yes but the Doctor lampshaded it, by pointing out how honourable
>they were in the future … and that their technology seemed to be
>a bit on the advanced side. Would have been better to comment
>that Eocene societies were as complex and varied as modern
>humans.
>
>> The Sea Devils’ plan didn’t seem to make much sense
>> though. Why not just make a new keystone to replace
>> the lost one?
>
>How did they lose it in the first place?
>
>> It’s probably just best to take it on trust that they’re doing
>> Something Bad and that’s what matters.
>
>Yeah, the science was as ropey as it’s ever been. The bit that
>irritated me the most was that Dan could still talk to the
>Chinese when he was hundreds of years from the TARDIS. This show
>could really use a babelfish solution for the language issues.
>
>Writing wise. the plot resolution point being the same as in the
>Timeless Children was just lazy (Doctor makes a universe saving
>McGuffin that requires sacrifice, guest star of the week makes
>the sacrifice for her).
>
>> The Thasmin stuff wasn’t too embarrassing, even if it did
>> feel a bit stuck on as an afterthought.
>
>I thought it was done quite well considering it was now
>inevitable. Fairly subtle and interweaved in a low impact way.
>But the Doctor seems to be suffering serious premonitions that
>her incarnation is ending, and we haven’t been shown a good
>reason why. So it feels like she’s using it as an excuse for
>holding back.
>
>> And according to the trailer, the centenary episode is going
>> to be full of fanwank.
>
>All in the one show; Daleks. Cybermen, including the half-formed
>one that was miniaturised and exploded in the last destruction
>of Gallifrey. The Master. Vinder. And of course, the heavily
>signalled regeneration - or at least the first half of it.
>
>Plus Tegan Jovanka and Ace McShane (the modern era’s been hard on
>companions, only Martha Jones was left safely on contemporary
>Earth Prime with her memory intact - all the others are in other
>universes, dead but now alive again in the distant future, or
>sent back into the past and now dead). So despite it being 40
>years, these are 2 of the 3 most recent available companions.
>
>Fanwank indeed!
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>From: "The True Doctor"
>Subject: S13E08 Legend of the Sea Devils
>Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 21:14:27 GMT
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>Once again the audience (or what's left of it) is witness to the
>writing of a 6 year old child that doesn't have the remotest
>clue or understanding of the concepts of story, plot, plot
>development, characterisation and character development.
>
>The entire opening sequence was incomprehensible on first pass
>and I had to rewind it to figure out who characters were, what
>they were doing, what their motivations were, and whose side
>they were supposed to be on, because none of this was set up at
>the start, due to the fact Chibnall and his co-writer for this
>episode, Ella Road, are soap-opera hacks and political
>playwrights who do not know how to write any form of speculative
>fiction or adventure story.
>
>Some Chinese guy speaking with a northern English accent and his
>son, again speaking with a northern English accent, are supposed
>to be protecting something, and some northern English Chinese
>woman with a sword is about to do something to it. Do something
>to what, and what for, protecting what and why? You're supposed
>to establish that at the beginning, not at the end, and if you
>don't have time to do that then you jump straight to the action
>part where the woman is hacking at the statue and it starts to
>crack (with a bad special effect) and the man is trying to stop
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