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   Re: Socialism or Capitalism: What is bet   
   05 Aug 08 02:13:01   
   
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   "Eugene Holman"  wrote in message   
   news:holman-0308081231030001@mobile-hupnet30-156.hupnet.helsinki.fi...   
      
   >   
   > Trade can be certainly be used as an instrument of colonialism. Buying raw   
   > materials and selling them back to a captive market as industrial products   
   > at many times the price, or to put it more politically correctly "with a   
   > high degree of added value", is known as economic colonialism or   
   > neocolonialism.   
   >   
      
   are you still talking about canada? if so, based on that criterea canada is   
   an "economic colony" of not just the usa, but also of china, japan, the UK,   
   taiwan, and south korea. damn, it's getting crowded in the palace.   
   you're missing the real issue: canadians being too lazy to produce these   
   products in the domestic market, so someone else comes along and does it and   
   makes money off the deal.   
   captive market? not here. lazy? yeah.   
      
      
   >> still less is it imperialism.   
   >> Canada buys stuff from the US, and the US buys stuff   
   >> from Canada.   
   >   
   > But many of the Canadian companies involved in this buying and selling are   
   > subsidiaries of American companies.   
      
   yes, but not the majority. so there is no type of "control" being exercised.   
   in addition, canadian companies are allowed to do the same thing down there.   
   there just aren't that many that do.   
      
   The United States also dictates that   
   > Canadian companies doing business with Cuba, with which Canada maintains   
   > normal diplomatic relations, cannot do busines with American companies or   
   > their Canadian subsidiaries.   
      
   that's their right. many canadian companies choose to do business with cuba   
   anyhow. it's a trade-off that each business needs to take into account.   
   although this does slightly support your argument, it's a very minor thing   
   and has almost zero impact on the economy. people shake their heads in   
   confusion when it comes to america and cuba.   
      
   This kind of interference from the stonger   
   > partner in the economic decisions made by the weaker one in an   
   > asymmetrical relationship is also colonial in nature. The Soviet Union   
   > never dictated to Finland which countries it could and could not trade   
   > with, although it sometimes used its political clout to influence the   
   > decisions Finland made to purchase certain advanced industrial products.   
      
   okay, so maybe donald doesn't know anything about finland/ussr, but don't   
   let him force you into the same position on canada/usa.   
      
      
      
   p.s. if you want to strengthen your argument, look into american involvment   
   in the canadian energy and rail industy. nothing illegal and both sides make   
   money, but disoncerting nevertheless.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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