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   From: anton.usenet@gmail.com   
      
   James A. Donald kirjoitti:   
      
   > James A. Donald:   
   >>> Your argument is the last resort of the supporters   
   >>> of tyranny, slavery, and mass murder.   I deny the   
   >>> right of states to do whatever they please to people   
   >>> subject to their jurisdiction.   
      
   > Anton   
   >> Inmates of Guantanamo must be pleased. I take you are protesting against   
   violation of these peoples basic human rights on the streets of Washington   
   right now?   
      
   > Your argument equates those fleeing communism to   
   > terrorists.   
      
   No at all.   
      
   > People fleeing communism are not terrorists.   
      
   In most cases those accused (but often not officially charged) of   
   terrorism have as a little, or even less basic freedoms and human rights   
   as the people fleeing communism had¹.   
      
   ¹ Many, like Solshenitsyn and Lennart Meri, were released after serving   
   their sentence.   
      
   > Communists   
   > are terrorists, and people fled communism because they   
   > were terrified.   
      
   > Many of those released from Guantanamo have returned to   
   > their old activities   
      
   Many innocent released from Guantanamo have trauma for life. I have   
   nothing against the fact that criminals are imprisoned. However in a   
   civilized society guilt is determined in a independent court and   
   suspects are given a fair trial. This is not the case for Gitmo inmates,   
   but as Stalin's commies did to thier suspects these suspects are also   
   held there arbitrarily without charges and denied a legal defence and a   
   trial. Americans in regard to Gitmo are following the same principles as   
   Stalin's communist regime in 1930s, 1940s.   
      
   By supporting this unlawful and immoral practice regarding terrorist   
   suspects (empahsis on the word *suspects*) you are giving the state   
   (United States) the right to do whatever they please to people subject   
   to their jurisdiction.   
      
   Earlier you denied some states this right, but by accepting the somplete   
   opposite in regard to the US means you have double standards and are a   
   hypocrite.   
      
      
   --   
   Anton   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)