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   Graham Woodland to Brian M. Scott   
   Re: Gifts vs. Money   
   17 Aug 08 10:48:03   
   
   From: gray@graeghama.plus.comb.invalid   
      
   Brian M. Scott wrote:   
   > On Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:04:10 -0500, Ric Locke   
   >  wrote in   
   >  in   
   > rec.arts.sf.composition:   
   >   
   >> On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:38:18 +0100, Jonathan L Cunningham   
   >> wrote:   
   >   
   > [...]   
   >   
   >>> Yes, I was wondering how "love of money" came to be   
   >>> "money".   
   >   
   >>> That's a bit like taking "paedophilia is evil" and   
   >>> concluding that therefore children are all evil. Or   
   >>> blaming a woman for inciting a man to rape her.   
   >   
   >>> The fallacy is a bit more obvious in the last two   
   >>> examples: why isn't it equally obvious when applied to   
   >>> money? Curious, eh?   
   >   
   >> It's thanks to generations of the greedy attempting to   
   >> confuse the issue.   
   >   
   >> Christ's teaching is absolutely clear: You're supposed to   
   >> be paying attention to getting to Heaven, and worldly   
   >> things are a distraction.   
   >   
   > That's one view of it; taken to extremes it leads to ascetic   
   > anchorism.  It's hardly the only view, however.   
   >   
   > [...]   
   >   
   >> But if you want to get money to support your schemes and   
   >> unable or unwilling to earn it -- that is, if you're a   
   >> thief, a Prince, or a Socialist --   
   >   
   > Whether a thief, a prince, or for that matter a priest or   
   > minister earns his wealth is a matter of opinion and depends   
   > on the specifics in each case.   
   >   
   >> you must of of necessity take it away from somebody else,   
   >> and that has to be justified somehow. After all, we all   
   >> know it's bad to take things without compensation, right?   
   >> And if you're self-defined in your own mind as   
   >> existentially Good, you can't simply rob people. The   
   >> solution is straightforward: redefining "evil".   
   >   
   >> "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a   
   >> needle, than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God."   
   >> If you ignore the actual content and context of the   
   >> teaching, it's easy to conclude that since Good people go   
   >> to Heaven and Evil people do not, and the rich man cannot   
   >> go to Heaven, it must be because he is Evil. And we all   
   >> know that it's OK, even virtuous, to be unkind to Evil   
   >> People -- therefore robbing The Rich is not only OK, it   
   >> is the duty of the Virtuous. So the Good Prince can rob   
   >> the filthy Jews, and the Good Socialist can rob the   
   >> filthy Capitalists, and congratulate themselves on their   
   >> Goodness.   
   >   
   > And the Good Capitalist can rob the stupid and lazy poor   
   > ('cause if they weren't stupid and lazy, they wouldn't be   
   > poor, and the wouldn't let themselves be robbed, right?).   
   >   
      
   Except for the priest of faithful ministry, all of the above   
   groups are clearly flirting with toxic irritant flammable heresy,   
   which explains much of the evil that has been observed to follow   
   from their actions.   
      
   The Good Church -- fortunately composed of persons specially   
   trained to resist the world, the flesh, and the devil -- must   
   relieve all other persons, to the maximum practical extent, of   
   the occasions for dangerous temptation.  Where practicable, these   
   occasions should be directly converted into large and shiny   
   glorifications of God, thus turning a trap for the weak into a   
   help along the road.   
      
   For *any* other faction to arrogate this world-sanctifying and   
   temptation-spurning role unto itself is thus the very worst sort   
   of hubris.  Gimme a pontificate!   
      
   It is one of the more interesting challenges of fantasy making   
   this familiar scenario play out -- or fail interestingly -- in   
   worlds where gods or God are conspicuously activist, but less   
   than awesomely subtle.   
      
   --   
   Cheers,   
      
   Gray   
      
   ---   
   To unmung address, lop off the 'be invalid' command.   
      
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