From: ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com   
      
   In article ,   
    Aqua  wrote:   
      
   > David Friedman wrote:   
   > > In article ,   
   > >  "Suzanne Blom"  wrote:   
   > >   
   > >>> "Brainwashed into" meaning "hold different views on the subject than you   
   > >>> do?" Presumably animals that exhibit similar patterns of behavior have   
   > >>> also been brainwashed into them?   
   > >>>   
   > >> Very few animals engage in nonconsensual sexual behavior.  Ducks are   
   > >> perhaps   
   > >> the major counterexample.   
   > >   
   > > The question isn't nonconsensual behavior but ambiguous behavior. A lot   
   > > of animal courtship looks as though the male is   
   > > seducing/bribing/bullying the female into sex, with the female initially   
   > > reluctant. Aqua, observing similar behavior in humans, interprets it as   
   > > the result of the brainwashing of females.   
   >   
   > Excuse me, the fu@k?   
   >   
   > Animals don't have money, indoor plumbing, contraception, etc, etc, etc.   
   >   
   > You honestly think human sex is conducted on some kind of   
   > pre-linguistic, pre-cultural level?   
   >   
   > Remind me never to be on the same continent as you.   
      
   I think observing animal behavior gives us some information about what   
   behavior patterns are built-in and what patterns are the result of the   
   ways in which humans differ from animals. You observe a pattern we share   
   with lots of other species--and confidently assert that it is the result   
   of "brainwashing," i.e. of conditions we don't share with other species.   
      
   It isn't logically impossible, but it isn't the way to bet.   
      
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