From: ddfr@daviddfriedman.nopsam.com   
      
   In article ,   
    "Suzanne Blom"  wrote:   
      
   > "David Friedman"  wrote in message   
   > news:ddfr-058795.16464020082008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET...   
   > > In article ,   
   > > "Suzanne Blom"  wrote:   
   > >   
   > >> "David Friedman"  wrote in message   
   > >> news:ddfr-2466C0.15015519082008@CA.NEWS.VERIO.NET...   
   > >> > In article ,   
   > >> > "Suzanne Blom"  wrote:   
      
   ...   
      
   > >> >> If you are talking about capital B Bedouins, then you are talking   
   > >> >> about a   
   > >> >> society in which there are marriage marts where the women chose the   
   > >> >> men &   
   > >> >> where the men wear the veil.   
      
   (I replied)   
      
   > >> > Are you confusing Bedouins with Tuareg? Aside from the fact that they   
   > >> > are both desert cultures, they don't have an awful lot in common.   
      
   (And wrote in a later post)   
   > > I don't see a response to this. I'm reluctant to give credence to your   
   > > claims about Hopi and Iroquois, about which I know little, when you   
   > > appear to be talking obvious nonsense about Bedouins, about whom I know   
   > > a good deal.   
   > >   
   > > Would you like to point me at some source for the claim that Bedouins   
   > > have marriage marts where the women choose the men and that it is the   
   > > men, not the women, in Bedouin culture who are veiled?   
      
   I note that you still haven't responded. Do you not care whether what   
   you post is true?   
   ...   
      
   > May I say that I regard the Hopi as one of the most advanced peoples I have   
   > ever heard about.   
   > I thought I had made it clear that I wanted to discuss boundaries of   
   > civilizations.   
   > However, other than the bit about the "strongest claim," you're otherwise   
   > fairly accurate.   
      
   Or in other words, you are indeed ruling out all of the historical   
   civilizations that we know much about--everything large save the Incas   
   and Aztecs and the sub-Saharan African civilizations, none of which we   
   have good and reliable information on--as possible counterexamples to   
   your claim that western society is particularly oppressive of women.   
   "Particularly oppressive" (not an actual quote) apparently meaning "more   
   oppressive than the least oppressive tenth of a percent of all societies   
   that have ever existed," measured by population.   
      
   And yet you expect the claim to be taken seriously?   
      
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