From: zeborah@gmail.com   
      
   David Friedman  wrote:   
      
   > In article <1im4p7i.pr4bpq89vw1mN%zeborah@gmail.com>,   
   >  zeborah@gmail.com (Zeborah) wrote:   
   >   
   > > Do you not see how:   
   > >   
   > > "Western society is a part of pan-Eurasian society"   
   > >   
   > > is not equivalent to:   
   > >   
   > > "Western society includes [various Asian countries]"?   
   >   
   > The context was the question of whether Western society was unusually   
   > oppressive towards women. In order for her response to be relevant to   
   > that, she has to be claiming--and I think pretty clearly was   
   > claiming--that China et. al. aren't counterexamples because they are   
   > part of the same society. Whether you call it "Western society" or   
   > "pan-Eurasian society" is irrelevant to the argument.   
      
   But it is not irrelevant to the fact that you scolded her that, 'It's   
   not anyone's understanding of "Western Civilization" that it includes   
   Japan, Mongolia, and Ceylon, and always has. Yet that is what you are   
   arguing.'   
      
   What you call it is very relevant to that.  And the fact is that she has   
   *not* argued that Japan, Mongolia, and Ceylon are part of Western   
   civilisation; she has only argued that they are part of a pan-Eurasian   
   society.  Which is not nearly so obviously ridiculous.   
      
   Zeborah   
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