From: zeborah@gmail.com   
      
   David Friedman  wrote:   
      
   > In article <1im51mh.1y2uhjr80x2szN%zeborah@gmail.com>,   
   >  zeborah@gmail.com (Zeborah) wrote:   
   >   
   > > David Friedman  wrote:   
   > >   
   > > > In article <1im4wmj.2mr6flupzyh9N%zeborah@gmail.com>,   
   > > >  zeborah@gmail.com (Zeborah) wrote:   
   > > >   
   > > > > Yes, if you resist by pointing a gun at people attempting to peacefully   
   > > > > arrest you, then they're justified in shooting you.  But they're not   
   > > > > shooting you for tax evasion, they're shooting you in self-defence.   
   > > >   
   > > > Would you generalize that beyond the government?   
   > > >   
   > > > A burglar breaks into my house. I confront him, with a gun. He shoots   
   > > > me.   
   > > >   
   > > > Was he acting in self defense?   
      
      
      
   > > If you confront the burglar, then you're not (in most situations in New   
   > > Zealand) acting in self-defence either; it's not (morally in my view,   
   > > and legally in the law's) self-defence unless you didn't have the option   
   > > to avoid the confrontation.   
   >   
   > Finally an answer--the "morally in my view" part.   
      
   Well, that paragraph wasn't actually an answer to your question, but   
   whatever; I'm glad that at least pleased you.   
      
      
   > Hence, given the starting point (which you of course reject) that   
   > taxation isn't morally legitimate, if the person being asked to pay   
   > taxes makes it clear that he is willing to use force in defense of the   
   > property the tax collectors want to take, then the tax collectors, when   
   > they try to take the property, are faced by a threat of force, and shoot   
   > him, are not acting in self-defense. Which was my point.   
      
   No.  You've forgotten the part where I pointed out the fundamental   
   difference between tax collectors and burglars:  the person in their   
   home can reasonably expect, based on law and past events, that a tax   
   collector will not shoot if the person simply puts their hands up, but   
   can't expect the same from a burglar.  Therefore, confronted with a tax   
   collector, the person in their house can trivially avoid violence, and   
   has no need to shoot in self-defense.   
      
   Zeborah   
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