XPost: rec.arts.sf.composition   
   From: dsgood@iphouse.com   
      
   John F. Eldredge wrote:   
      
   > On Wed, 17 Sep 2008 20:08:36 -0700, cryptoguy wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Sep 17, 4:08 pm, James A. Donald  wrote:   
   > >> On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:00:42 -0400, J.J. O'Shea   
   > > >   
   > >> > >> Come on, show me something Yerby, or Barnes, or Delaney.   
   > That's >> > >> three possibles. Did I just happen to pick the only   
   > three black >> > >> authors who didn't have thugs in their work,   
   > > >   
   > >> James A. Donald:   
   > > >   
   > >> > > So according to you I am dishonest if I don't tell you what is   
   > in >> > > books that neither of us have read.   
   > > >   
   > >>  J.J. O'Shea   
   > > >   
   > >> > I've read 'em.   
   > > >   
   > >> You dont seem to have the first book by Samuel Delaney that comes   
   > up on >> Amazon.   
   > > >   
   > >> James A. Donald:   
   > > >   
   > >> > > checked out the amazon.com   
   > >> > > review of the first book I found by him, which tells me:   
   > >> > >       He enlists the help of other pedophiliac murdering   
   > >> > >       rapists?Nigg, Dago and Denny?and the group sets off to   
   > >> > >       perform acts of hideous violence. After the attacks, a   
   > >> > >       biker friend of Hogg's sells the boy into sexual   
   > slavery >> > >       to dockyard slum resident Big Sambo, who   
   > keeps his >> > >       12-year-old daughter for prostitution and   
   > his own >> > >       perversions.   
   > > >   
   > >>  J.J. O'Shea   
   > > >   
   > >> > That would be Dhalgren, which is, umm, special. And written that   
   > >> > way to make a point.   
   > > >   
   > >> Which point, no white writer is allowed to make.   
   > >   
   > > Umm, once again, this isn't a description of Dhalgren, which is   
   > > widely considered a masterpiece. Its 'The Tides of Lust', aka   
   > > 'Equinox', which is a much more minor work.   
   > >   
   > > In it, blacks behave badly. So do whites. It shows a certain,   
   > > thankfully largely fictional, bottom dreg of society. It isn't   
   > > about race.   
   > >   
   > > In fact, I can't think of a single Delaney work where race, per se,   
   > > is an issue. There are more black characters than most white   
   > > authors use, but they are no more likely to behave badly, or nobly,   
   > > than the whites he depicts.   
   > >   
   > > Peter Trei   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > 'Lenny', iirc, is white, btw.   
   > >   
   > > Peter Trei   
   >   
   > And, just to let you and James A. Donald know, the author spells his   
   > last name "Delany", not "Delaney".   
      
      
      
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