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   Re: Socialism or Capitalism: What is bet   
   24 Sep 08 13:02:30   
   
   From: kurkku@hassuserveri.fi   
      
   "J. Anderson"  kirjoitti   
   viestissä:__nCk.70651$_03.47361@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi...   
   >   
   > "Gerry Quinn"  wrote in message   
   > news:MPG.2343a85d9590f0d19899f2@news.indigo.ie...   
   >> In article ,   
   >> valtsu@stadissa.fi says...   
   >>> James A. Donald wrote:   
   >>> > On Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:44:09 +0300, Anton    
   >>> > wrote:   
   >>> >> Exactly. "Productive" is key here. I honestly don't belive a country   
   >>> >> can   
   >>> >> remain productive for an extended period of time if there is a   
   >>> >> "vampire"   
   >>> >> sucking all blood out but not injecting anything back.   
   >>> >   
   >>> > Why not?   
   >>> >   
   >>> > All the more productive countries are in exactly this situation, some   
   >>> > more than others.  The richer you are, the more threats you get, the   
   >>> > easier seems to pay off those making threats.  Who is paying the   
   >>> > Palestinian terrorists?  The answer is, in large part, Israeli and   
   >>> > American taxpayers.   
   >>> >   
   >>> > Of course the weaker you are, the more you get threatened - Hong Kong   
   >>> > and Singapore have to make particularly big payouts, thought not, of   
   >>> > course, as big as Finland did - does not seem to slow them down.   
   >>> >   
   >>> Well then, has it really slowed Finland down?   
   >>   
   >> I've come across communoid Finns before on Usenet... more often than not   
   >> they seem to have been indoctrinated by Marxist teachers to believe that   
   >> Finland is a favoured daughter of the Soviet Union, rather than a small   
   >> state that was viciously oppressed by it. I assume that the infiltration   
   >> procedure stalled and failed over time; it is disappointing that the   
   >> Marxist fifth column in Finland do not honour the generosity of their   
   >> free compatriots by choosing to be silent.   
   >   
   > Well put. Although we weren't indoctrinated by Marxist teachers (we've   
   > hardly had any). The fantasy that Finland was a 'favoured daughter of the   
   > Soviet Union' was not ideologically induced. It was rather a case of mass   
   > self-deception: people did not *want* to believe that we were a Soviet   
   > vassal. We've had similar delusions before. In the 19th century we used to   
   > believe that Finland was not really part of the Russian Empire.   
   >   
   > What's tragic is that so many people here still are so afraid of   
   > displeasing Moscow.   
   >   
   > John   
   >   
      
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