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   XPost: sci.physics   
   From: David@block.net   
      
   On 1/16/2014 4:09 PM, Rod Speed wrote:   
   > David Johnston  wrote   
   >> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Orwell predicted the surveillance society.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But got it utterly wrong with lots of the detail.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We didn't even see much of Animal Farm in the west.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since Animal Farm was a depiction of the history of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union, why would you expect to?   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> It clearly was warning that that might happen in the west too.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't find that clear at all.  The message I got was "The   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Bolsheviks are just as bad as the capitalists of the west".   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>> In fact nothing even remotely like the capitalists of the west   
   >>>>>>>>>>> on that.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>> I perceive that you know nothing about Orwell's politics.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>> You're wrong   
   >   
   >>>>>>>> Hm.  Maybe I am.  On consideration it could be more accurate to say   
   >>>>>>>> that that Orwell was saying that the Bolsheviks are just as bad as   
   >>>>>>>> the fascists of the west.  The Francos, Hitlers and Mussolinis.   
   >   
   >>>>>>> That isnt really what Animal Farm was saying either.   
   >   
   >>>>>>> None of those were ever silly enough to   
   >>>>>>> try claiming that everyone was equal.   
   >   
   >>>>>> The humans DON"T say that everyone is equal. That's what the pigs   
   >>>>>> say, but they lie.   
   >   
   >>>>> I didn't say anything about who said it.   
   >   
   >>>> Then you didn't say anything relevant.   
   >   
   >>> Says he carefully deleting what was relevant, again.   
   >   
   >> No.  It wasn't.   
   >   
   > Corse it was with the left in the west being into that equal stuff.   
   > Your claim that it was just about what happened in Russia is   
   > just plain wrong.   
      
   Orwell was part of the left in the west.   
      
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