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   XPost: sci.physics   
   From: David@block.net   
      
   On 1/16/2014 8:34 PM, Rod Speed wrote:   
   > David Johnston  wrote   
   >> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Orwell predicted the surveillance society.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But got it utterly wrong with lots of the detail.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We didn't even see much of Animal Farm in the west.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since Animal Farm was a depiction of the history of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union, why would you expect to?   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It clearly was warning that that might happen in the west   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't find that clear at all.  The message I got was "The   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bolsheviks are just as bad as the capitalists of the west".   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact nothing even remotely like the capitalists of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> west on that.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I perceive that you know nothing about Orwell's politics.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>> You're wrong   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>> Hm.  Maybe I am.  On consideration it could be more accurate   
   >>>>>>>>>> to say that that Orwell was saying that the Bolsheviks are   
   >>>>>>>>>> just as bad as the fascists of the west.  The Francos, Hitlers   
   >>>>>>>>>> and Mussolinis.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>> That isnt really what Animal Farm was saying either.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>> None of those were ever silly enough to   
   >>>>>>>>> try claiming that everyone was equal.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>> The humans DON"T say that everyone is equal. That's what the   
   >>>>>>>> pigs say, but they lie.   
   >   
   >>>>>>> I didn't say anything about who said it.   
   >   
   >>>>>> Then you didn't say anything relevant.   
   >   
   >>>>> Says he carefully deleting what was relevant, again.   
   >   
   >>>> No.  It wasn't.   
   >   
   >>> Corse it was with the left in the west being into that equal stuff.   
   >>> Your claim that it was just about what happened in Russia is   
   >>> just plain wrong.   
   >   
   >> Orwell was part of the left in the west.   
   >   
   > Duh. And that is why Animal Farm wasn't just about Russia.   
      
   Only in the sense that he was warning other leftists to steer clear of   
   the Stalinists.   
      
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