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   David Johnston  wrote   
   > Rod Speed wrote   
   >> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
      
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Orwell predicted the surveillance society.   
      
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But got it utterly wrong with lots of the detail.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We didn't even see much of Animal Farm in the west.   
      
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since Animal Farm was a depiction of the history of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Soviet Union, why would you expect to?   
      
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It clearly was warning that that might happen in the west   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too.   
      
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't find that clear at all.  The message I got was "The   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bolsheviks are just as bad as the capitalists of the west".   
      
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact nothing even remotely like the capitalists of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> west on that.   
      
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I perceive that you know nothing about Orwell's politics.   
      
   >>>>>>>>>>>> You're wrong   
      
   >>>>>>>>>>> Hm.  Maybe I am.  On consideration it could be more accurate   
   >>>>>>>>>>> to say that that Orwell was saying that the Bolsheviks are   
   >>>>>>>>>>> just as bad as the fascists of the west.  The Francos, Hitlers   
   >>>>>>>>>>> and Mussolinis.   
      
   >>>>>>>>>> That isnt really what Animal Farm was saying either.   
      
   >>>>>>>>>> None of those were ever silly enough to   
   >>>>>>>>>> try claiming that everyone was equal.   
      
   >>>>>>>>> The humans DON"T say that everyone is equal. That's what the pigs   
   >>>>>>>>> say, but they lie.   
      
   >>>>>>>> I didn't say anything about who said it.   
      
   >>>>>>> Then you didn't say anything relevant.   
      
   >>>>>> Says he carefully deleting what was relevant, again.   
      
   >>>>> No.  It wasn't.   
      
   >>>> Corse it was with the left in the west being into that equal stuff.   
   >>>> Your claim that it was just about what happened in Russia is   
   >>>> just plain wrong.   
      
   >>> Orwell was part of the left in the west.   
      
   >> Duh. And that is why Animal Farm wasn't just about Russia.   
      
   > Only in the sense that he was warning other leftists to steer clear of the   
   > Stalinists.   
      
   He was actually pointing out what happens with that mentality.   
      
   1984 wasn't about a specific current system either.   
      
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