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   From: David@block.net   
      
   On 1/17/2014 1:48 AM, Rod Speed wrote:   
   > David Johnston  wrote   
   >> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> David Johnston  wrote   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Orwell predicted the surveillance society.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But got it utterly wrong with lots of the detail.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We didn't even see much of Animal Farm in the west.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since Animal Farm was a depiction of the history of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the Soviet Union, why would you expect to?   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It clearly was warning that that might happen in the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> west too.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't find that clear at all.  The message I got was "The   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bolsheviks are just as bad as the capitalists of the west".   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In fact nothing even remotely like the capitalists of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> west on that.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I perceive that you know nothing about Orwell's politics.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> You're wrong   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Hm.  Maybe I am.  On consideration it could be more accurate   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> to say that that Orwell was saying that the Bolsheviks are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> just as bad as the fascists of the west.  The Francos, Hitlers   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> and Mussolinis.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>> That isnt really what Animal Farm was saying either.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>> None of those were ever silly enough to   
   >>>>>>>>>>> try claiming that everyone was equal.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>> The humans DON"T say that everyone is equal. That's what the   
   >>>>>>>>>> pigs say, but they lie.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>> I didn't say anything about who said it.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>> Then you didn't say anything relevant.   
   >   
   >>>>>>> Says he carefully deleting what was relevant, again.   
   >   
   >>>>>> No.  It wasn't.   
   >   
   >>>>> Corse it was with the left in the west being into that equal stuff.   
   >>>>> Your claim that it was just about what happened in Russia is   
   >>>>> just plain wrong.   
   >   
   >>>> Orwell was part of the left in the west.   
   >   
   >>> Duh. And that is why Animal Farm wasn't just about Russia.   
   >   
   >> Only in the sense that he was warning other leftists to steer clear of   
   >> the Stalinists.   
   >   
   > He was actually pointing out what happens with that mentality.   
   >   
   > 1984 wasn't about a specific current system either.   
      
   1984 wasn't.  Animal Farm was.   
      
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