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   >> > In article , 2671 <2671@gmail.com>   
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   >> >> "Your Name"  wrote in message   
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   >> >> > In article , Ryk E. Spoor   
   >> >> >  wrote:   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >>  (and I REALLY hate the modern trend for "no keys for your car". I   
   >> >> >> LIKE   
   >> >> >> a physical key system, thanks.)   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > Yep, no key is sheer idiocy and a system designed for and to   
   >> >> > encourage   
   >> >> > the terminally lazy. Most of the "keyless" entry cars currently can   
   >> >> > still use keys for the doors, but not to actually start the car.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > As an aside, you should ALWAYS manually check that ALL your car   
   >> >> > doors   
   >> >> > are locked when leaving the car anywhere.   
   >> >>   
   >> >> No thanks, the failure rate is so low that it isn't worth the trouble.   
   >> >   
   >> > It partly depends on the age of your car,   
   >>   
   >> Much more on what sort of car you chose to buy.   
   >   
   > Being any car with central locking, whether that's via a remote, an   
   > internal button on the driver's door, or using the key on the driver's   
   > door, it's all the same process mechanically.   
      
   But the failure rate of the lock on an individual door varies much   
   more on what sort of car you choose to buy manufacturer wise.   
      
   >> > but with the growing number of recalls for various products these days,   
   >> > attention to detail and quality of products is becoming more   
   >> > questionable in the rush to simply shovel out a new version.   
   >>   
   >> The reality is that very few of us ever get any recalls on any of our   
   >> cars.   
   >   
   > Maybe not,   
      
   No maybe about it.   
      
   > but the instances of recall seem to be growing.   
      
   For a different reason entirely, much more emphasis on   
   recalls which can compromise the safety of the vehicle.   
      
   >> I didn't even have any warranty claims on my latest. The battery did   
   >> eventually develop a fault rather than just needing to be replaced   
   >> eventually but the only consequence of that was that it got replaced   
   >> a little earlier than it would have been otherwise. A complete yawn.   
   >   
   > I've had my car just over 15 years and replaced the battery for only   
   > the second time last year.   
      
   That is about the time I replaced that battery. I have only done that once.   
      
   >> >> > I few years ago I got back into my car and discovered the passenger   
   >> >> > door was unlocked - despite making the clicking sound with the   
   >> >> > central   
   >> >> > locking, the door was not actually locking due to a faulty   
   >> >> > servo-motor.   
   >> >> > Since then I always check each door and the book / trunk manually.   
   >> >>   
   >> >> More fool you.   
   >> >   
   >> > Nope, I just don't want my car stolen or stolen from, which is quite   
   >> > likely since it is a model that was top of the police's most stolen   
   >> > list for about six years in a row, until last year (in fact it appeared   
   >> > on the list twice, under the New Zealand name and the Japanese import   
   >> > name).   
   >>   
   >> Some of us have enough of a clue to buy a car which isnt popular   
   >> with thieves   
   >   
   > Personally I don't want an ugly, underpowered car which nobody would   
   > want to be seen dead in.  ;-)   
      
   My car is not underpowered, or ugly and when hordes have bought   
   it, that isnt the reason it isnt high on the list of commonly stolen cars.   
      
   The main reason it isnt on the list of commonly stolen cars is because   
   it isnt the sort of car that appeals to the sort of fools that steal cars   
   and because its security system is very robust and so it is very hard to   
   steal without making it obvious you have done that and very hard to   
   drive it away even if you do smash your way into it and don't care   
   about the alarm telling everyone what you have done. So they don't   
   get stolen much at all.   
      
   >> which isn't easy for thieves to get into   
      
   > Any car is easy for theives to get into - there's nothing   
   > easier than breaking the window or forcing a lock.   
      
   That doesn't let you drive it away tho.   
      
   >> and park the car close to where we are in the house most of the time   
      
   > My car is always parked inside the garage when at home,   
      
   So there isnt any point in checking all the   
   doors have locked when it is in the garage.   
      
   > and I always park it in a highly publicly visible location   
   > when anywhere else, including avoiding parking buildings   
   > and parking near the entrances in shopping malls.   
      
   Then there isnt any point in leaving anything of any value in   
   the car so you are unlikely to see anyone trying the doors if   
   you had had enough of a clue to have not bought what is   
   easily driven away and desirable to the sort of arsehole that   
   steals cars.   
      
   >> so that even someone trying car doors to see if any have been   
   >> unlocked will trigger an alarm. And with my car, if the solenoid has   
   >> failed and someone enters the locked car that way, the car alarm will go   
   >> off and I will do something about that using the rotty and the shotty.   
      
   > My car does have an alarm (which includes an imobliser) which would go   
   > off when the door is opened.   
      
   It can't have been implemented very well if so many of them get stolen.   
      
   >> I don't even bother to check all the doors and trunk when I leave   
   >> it in the supermarket carpark either, because as I say, if the solenoid   
   >> has failed and someone does succeed in getting into the car when   
   >> its locked that way, the car alarm will go off, and I will be notified   
   >> that that has happened and I will be out of the store and back at   
   >> the car in seconds because I will assume some arsehole has broken   
   >> a window and I will need to call the cops to deal with him and I   
   >> will observe that individual so that if he isnt at the car when the   
   >> cops show up, I know where he has gone.   
      
   > When you're out, you're not always within earshot of your car,   
      
   I wasn't talking about earshot.   
      
   > and unfortunately most people simply ignore car alarms because they   
   > go off far too often for no useful reason (even just a car with a noisy   
   > exhaust going past can set off some vibration sensitive car alarms).   
      
   That's why I would head towards the car that has just told me that   
   some arsehole has broken into it. It just doesn't false alarm at all.   
      
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