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   > > In article , 2671 <2671@gmail.com>   
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   > >> > In article , 2671 <2671@gmail.com>   
   > >> > wrote:   
   > >> >> "Your Name"  wrote in message   
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   > >> >> > In article , Ryk E. Spoor   
   > >> >> >  wrote:   
   > >> >> >>   
   > >> >> >>  (and I REALLY hate the modern trend for "no keys for your car". I   
   > >> >> >> LIKE   
   > >> >> >> a physical key system, thanks.)   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> > Yep, no key is sheer idiocy and a system designed for and to   
   > >> >> > encourage   
   > >> >> > the terminally lazy. Most of the "keyless" entry cars currently can   
   > >> >> > still use keys for the doors, but not to actually start the car.   
   > >> >> >   
   > >> >> > As an aside, you should ALWAYS manually check that ALL your car   
   > >> >> > doors   
   > >> >> > are locked when leaving the car anywhere.   
   > >> >>   
   > >> >> No thanks, the failure rate is so low that it isn't worth the trouble.   
   > >> >   
   > >> > It partly depends on the age of your car,   
   > >>   
   > >> Much more on what sort of car you chose to buy.   
   > >   
   > > Being any car with central locking, whether that's via a remote, an   
   > > internal button on the driver's door, or using the key on the driver's   
   > > door, it's all the same process mechanically.   
   >   
   > But the failure rate of the lock on an individual door varies much   
   > more on what sort of car you choose to buy manufacturer wise.   
      
   To some degree, but it could well be that there's only a couple of   
   companies making the servo-motors used by the various car makers. Just   
   like TVs come in many different brands, but there's only a few   
   companies actually making the display panels - the TV maker then   
   basically just slaps their logo on it.   
      
      
      
   > >> > but with the growing number of recalls for various products these days,   
   > >> > attention to detail and quality of products is becoming more   
   > >> > questionable in the rush to simply shovel out a new version.   
   > >>   
   > >> The reality is that very few of us ever get any recalls on any of our   
   > >> cars.   
   > >   
   > > Maybe not,   
   >   
   > No maybe about it.   
   >   
   > > but the instances of recall seem to be growing.   
   >   
   > For a different reason entirely, much more emphasis on   
   > recalls which can compromise the safety of the vehicle.   
      
   The point was things fail or are badly made.   
      
      
      
      
   > >> which isn't easy for thieves to get into   
   > >   
   > > Any car is easy for theives to get into - there's nothing   
   > > easier than breaking the window or forcing a lock.   
   >   
   > That doesn't let you drive it away tho.   
      
   A "career criminal" car thief knows how to bypass all the security   
   systems (some of the criminals install the systems in the first place!)   
   ... besides, at worst they simply tow it away or strip it on the spot.   
      
      
      
      
   > >> and park the car close to where we are in the house most of the time   
   >   
   > > My car is always parked inside the garage when at home,   
   >   
   > So there isnt any point in checking all the   
   > doors have locked when it is in the garage.   
      
   It's simply part of the process of parking the car, like putting tyhe   
   handbrake on ... it's not as if it takes hours.   
      
   Same as the habit of locking the doors after getting in - one less   
   opportunity for some scum to try and jumnp in at traffic lights.   
      
      
      
   > > and I always park it in a highly publicly visible location   
   > > when anywhere else, including avoiding parking buildings   
   > > and parking near the entrances in shopping malls.   
   >   
   > Then there isnt any point in leaving anything of any value in   
   > the car so you are unlikely to see anyone trying the doors   
      
   Given a chance some scum will break in simply to steal the car radio or   
   on the chance of finding something under the seat or in the glovebox.   
   Best to give them as fewer chances as possible. Some people even break   
   into cars just to steal a few pennies from one of the storage holes   
      
      
      
      
   > >> so that even someone trying car doors to see if any have been   
   > >> unlocked will trigger an alarm. And with my car, if the solenoid has   
   > >> failed and someone enters the locked car that way, the car alarm will go   
   > >> off and I will do something about that using the rotty and the shotty.   
   > >   
   > > My car does have an alarm (which includes an imobliser) which would go   
   > > off when the door is opened.   
   >   
   > It can't have been implemented very well if so many of them get stolen.   
      
   It was a standard item at that time, but as above, proper criminals can   
   and do bypass security systems very easily and quickly.   
      
   You don't even need to be a criminal. There are instances of people   
   using door remotes to mistakenly get into the wrong car of the same   
   make and model. Even one were the person drove away before realising it   
   was the wrong car!   
      
      
      
      
   > >> I don't even bother to check all the doors and trunk when I leave   
   > >> it in the supermarket carpark either, because as I say, if the solenoid   
   > >> has failed and someone does succeed in getting into the car when   
   > >> its locked that way, the car alarm will go off, and I will be notified   
   > >> that that has happened and I will be out of the store and back at   
   > >> the car in seconds because I will assume some arsehole has broken   
   > >> a window and I will need to call the cops to deal with him and I   
   > >> will observe that individual so that if he isnt at the car when the   
   > >> cops show up, I know where he has gone.   
   >   
   > > When you're out, you're not always within earshot of your car,   
   >   
   > I wasn't talking about earshot.   
      
   Then you won't know the alarm is going ... unless you've attached it to   
   a nuclear explosive that destroys the entire neighbourhood.   
      
      
      
   > > and unfortunately most people simply ignore car alarms because they   
   > > go off far too often for no useful reason (even just a car with a noisy   
   > > exhaust going past can set off some vibration sensitive car alarms).   
   >   
   > That's why I would head towards the car that has just told me that   
   > some arsehole has broken into it. It just doesn't false alarm at all.   
      
   You're not going to know if you're out of earshot.   
      
   Even if you have a fancy alarm that emails / TXT messages your phone,   
   by the time you get back to the car, the thief (and possibvly the car)   
   will be long gone.   
      
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