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   > In article , 2671 <2671@gmail.com>   
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   >> "Your Name"  wrote in message   
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   >> > In article , 2671 <2671@gmail.com>   
   >> > wrote:   
   >> >> "Your Name"  wrote in message   
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   >> >> > In article , 2671 <2671@gmail.com>   
   >> >> > wrote:   
   >> >> >> "Your Name"  wrote in message   
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   >> >> >> > In article , Ryk E. Spoor   
   >> >> >> >  wrote:   
   >> >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> >>  (and I REALLY hate the modern trend for "no keys for your car".   
   >> >> >> >> I   
   >> >> >> >> LIKE   
   >> >> >> >> a physical key system, thanks.)   
   >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> > Yep, no key is sheer idiocy and a system designed for and to   
   >> >> >> > encourage   
   >> >> >> > the terminally lazy. Most of the "keyless" entry cars currently   
   >> >> >> > can   
   >> >> >> > still use keys for the doors, but not to actually start the car.   
   >> >> >> >   
   >> >> >> > As an aside, you should ALWAYS manually check that ALL your car   
   >> >> >> > doors   
   >> >> >> > are locked when leaving the car anywhere.   
   >> >> >>   
   >> >> >> No thanks, the failure rate is so low that it isn't worth the   
   >> >> >> trouble.   
   >> >> >   
   >> >> > It partly depends on the age of your car,   
   >> >>   
   >> >> Much more on what sort of car you chose to buy.   
   >> >   
   >> > Being any car with central locking, whether that's via a remote, an   
   >> > internal button on the driver's door, or using the key on the driver's   
   >> > door, it's all the same process mechanically.   
   >>   
   >> But the failure rate of the lock on an individual door varies much   
   >> more on what sort of car you choose to buy manufacturer wise.   
      
   > To some degree,   
      
   Completely in fact given that a properly designed   
   system will fail safe with the door not being able   
   to be opened from the outside if that has failed.   
      
   > but it could well be that there's only a couple of companies   
   > making the servo-motors used by the various car makers.   
      
   Bullshit. And that is a completely separate issue to whether   
   it fails safe anyway.   
      
   > Just like TVs come in many different brands, but there's   
   > only a few companies actually making the display panels   
      
   Bullshit.   
      
   > - the TV maker then basically just slaps their logo on it.   
      
   Bullshit. If it was really like that, you'd see that with the parts   
   available to repair them if something like the backlight fails.   
      
   There isnt, so you don't have a clue about the basics.   
      
   >> >> > but with the growing number of recalls for various products these   
   >> >> > days,   
   >> >> > attention to detail and quality of products is becoming more   
   >> >> > questionable in the rush to simply shovel out a new version.   
   >> >>   
   >> >> The reality is that very few of us ever get any recalls on any of our   
   >> >> cars.   
   >> >   
   >> > Maybe not,   
   >>   
   >> No maybe about it.   
   >>   
   >> > but the instances of recall seem to be growing.   
   >>   
   >> For a different reason entirely, much more emphasis on   
   >> recalls which can compromise the safety of the vehicle.   
      
   > The point was things fail or are badly made.   
      
   The point is that recalls are due to bad designs   
   that see the safety compromised if they fail.   
      
   That says nothing useful what so ever about what   
   fails, let alone what is designed to fail safe with locks.   
      
   >> >> which isn't easy for thieves to get into   
   >> >   
   >> > Any car is easy for theives to get into - there's nothing   
   >> > easier than breaking the window or forcing a lock.   
   >>   
   >> That doesn't let you drive it away tho.   
   >   
   > A "career criminal" car thief knows how to bypass all the security systems   
      
   Not even possible with the best security systems.   
      
   > (some of the criminals install the systems in the first place!)   
      
   Some of us have enough of a clue to buy cars that come with   
   the best security available.   
      
   > ... besides, at worst they simply tow it away or strip it on the spot.   
      
   And the best security systems alarm when that happens.   
      
   And you mindlessly checking to see if the doors are locked   
   every time you leave the car won't have any effect on that anyway.   
      
   >> >> and park the car close to where we are in the house most of the time   
   >>   
   >> > My car is always parked inside the garage when at home,   
   >>   
   >> So there isnt any point in checking all the   
   >> doors have locked when it is in the garage.   
      
   > It's simply part of the process of parking   
   > the car, like putting tyhe handbrake on ...   
      
   Not for those who know that the car   
   has a decent fail safe locking system.   
      
   > it's not as if it takes hours.   
      
   Still a complete waste of time if the   
   car has a fail safe locking system.   
      
   > Same as the habit of locking the doors after getting in   
      
   Even more stupid.   
      
   > - one less opportunity for some scum   
   > to try and jumnp in at traffic lights.   
      
   Some of us don't bother to visit places like that   
   and only do that if they do visit places like that.   
      
   >> > and I always park it in a highly publicly visible location   
   >> > when anywhere else, including avoiding parking buildings   
   >> > and parking near the entrances in shopping malls.   
   >>   
   >> Then there isnt any point in leaving anything of any value in   
   >> the car so you are unlikely to see anyone trying the doors   
   >   
   > Given a chance some scum will break in simply to steal the car radio   
      
   Wont do them any good to steal mine, its useless to any thief.   
      
   > or on the chance of finding something under the seat or in   
   > the glovebox. Best to give them as fewer chances as possible.   
      
   Those of use with a clue do that by choosing a car that has   
   been properly designed with a fail safe locking system.   
      
   > Some people even break into cars just to steal   
   > a few pennies from one of the storage holes   
      
   Irrelevant to whether there is any point in checking if all the   
   doors are locked if you have enough of a clue to have bought   
   a car with a fail safe locking system.   
      
   >> >> so that even someone trying car doors to see if any have been   
   >> >> unlocked will trigger an alarm. And with my car, if the solenoid has   
   >> >> failed and someone enters the locked car that way, the car alarm will   
   >> >> go   
   >> >> off and I will do something about that using the rotty and the shotty.   
   >> >   
      
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