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   From: jclarkeusenet@cox.net   
      
   In article , robban@clubtelco.com   
   says...   
   >   
   > On 24/01/2014 4:25 am, Rod Speed wrote:   
   > > Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)  wrote   
   > >> Doc O'Leary wrote   
   > >>> Greg Goss  wrote   
   > >   
   > >>>> Modern North Americans just cannot fathom the scale of a horse-based   
   > >>>> society.   
   > >   
   > >>> s/horse-based/sustainable   
   > >   
   > >>> And, sadly, the problem isn't just limited to North American.  The   
   > >>> majority of sci-fi hand waves abundant energy into the future, but   
   > >>> the reality is that, so far, that appears to be the hardest hurdle we   
   > >>> have facing us.   
   > >   
   > >> Only hardest in a political sense. There are designs for (relatively)   
   > >> inexpensive and easily-manufactured safe nuclear reactors which   
   > >> wouldn't require the super-billions of dollars or the many, many years   
   > >> to construct, but NOOKYOULAR PHEEER! pretty much kiboshes those.   
   > >   
   > > I doubt it will if energy does become hard get.   
   > >   
   > >> Solar power has come a **LONG** way in the last 20 years, and the ONLY   
   > >> real hurdle it has left is storage.   
   > >   
   > > That is no hurdle now with national and sub national   
   > > grids and others that are close to that like the EU etc.   
   > >   
   > >> If someone figures out a high-density storage medium,   
   > >   
   > > We already have, pumped water.   
   > >   
   > >> or is willing to install 2-3x base capacity so that the "storage   
   > >> medium" is synthesized hydrocarbon fuel of some sort,   
   > >   
   > > I doubt that will ever make sense.   
   > >   
   > > The most that is likely is that for the most convenient   
   > > transport fuel once natural gas and coal seam gas is   
   > > no longer economic as a transport fuel.   
   > >   
   > >> the energy issue would be settled pretty well.   
   > >   
   > > It already is if you don't mind using coal and brown coal.   
   > >   
   > >> Farther into the future you have SPS, which has the advantage of no   
   > >> interruptions of service and no losses due to atmosphere or clouds.   
   > >> And the standard designs avoid the MICROWAVE DEATHRAY!!! problem.   
   > >   
   > > Cant see solar power satellites being viable myself.   
   > > Bet we use safe thorium nukes instead. MUCH cheaper.   
   >   
   > Denmark and Spain now produce well over 25% of their total electricity   
   > with wind power and that is set to increase.   
      
   Bear in mind that the total power consumption of Denmark is tiny   
   compared to that of, say, the US.   
      
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