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   From: goldfarb@ocf.berkeley.edu   
      
   In article ,   
   Sea Wasp (Ryk E. Spoor)  wrote:   
   >	"A machine that   
   >thinks like a human, only maybe better", and the Turing Test (as a   
   >general concept -- making one that really works is harder) was always   
   >the general idea of how to really measure it. Can it pass for human in   
   >realistic circumstances?   
      
   That's one way.  My recollection is that Turing proposed it as   
   sufficient:  a machine that would pass the Turing Test would be   
   one that everyone would have to admit was AI.  That doesn't rule   
   out the possibility of something that can't pass the test but   
   is intelligent nonetheless.   
      
   (To take just one example, the Postman from Vernor Vinge's "True   
   Names":  it thought *slower* than a human, and therefore could   
   never pass such a test.)   
      
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