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   From: jclarkeusenet@cox.net   
      
   In article ,   
   droleary@8usenet2013.subsume.com says...   
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   > In article ,   
   > "John F. Eldredge" wrote:   
   >   
   > > On Fri, 31 Jan 2014 23:42:51 -0800, David Friedman wrote:   
   > >   
   > > > On 1/30/14, 1:30 PM, Leszek Karlik wrote:   
   > > >>   
   > > >> Rapid rail is pretty nice in densely populated countries, which I guess   
   > > >> is why China is so keen on it.   
   > > >   
   > > > China as a whole isn't that densely populated, although parts of it may   
   > > > be--it has a large population but also a large area. Its population   
   > > > density is about 2/3 that of Germany, a little over half that of the   
   > > > U.K.   
   > >   
   > > However, the eastern part, particularly the southeast, is VERY densely   
   > > populated, and therefore well suited to rail traffic. The northwest, by   
   > > contrast, is mostly scantily-settled desert.   
   >   
   > People need to stop confusing cause and effect. Trains don't only start   
   > making sense *after* a population has exploded, but they were often the   
   > *reason* the masses could get to far off lands in the first place! Any   
   > country that still has an interest in mobility that scales is *not*   
   > going to go car-centric, self-driving or not.   
      
   Please provide an example of "far off lands" that were settled _because_   
   of trains.   
      
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