XPost: rec.arts.sf.written, rec.arts.sf.science   
   From: dtravel@sonic.net   
      
   On 2/4/2014 11:49 AM, Greg Goss wrote:   
   > djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:   
   >> Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy   wrote:   
   >>> djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in   
   >>>> Greg Goss   wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>> She made the cover of Canada's newsmagazine (Macleans) for   
   >>>>> saying "It was a good offer, but I would have to live in New   
   >>>>> York. Who would want to live in New York?"   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I suspect that California was both cheaper and less crowded than   
   >>>>> New York.   
   >>>>   
   >>> But then, at this point, you're comparing New York City to the   
   >>> entire state of California, which isn't a very good comparison. LA   
   >>> is less densely populated, I believe, than NYC, but that doesn't   
   >>> necessarily equate to less crowded. And the most expensive parts of   
   >>> southern California are in Orange County, and can rival anywhere in   
   >>> the world for expensive to live in.   
   >>   
   >> For concentration and crowded-ness, not to mention desirability,   
   >> one would do better to compare New York to San Francisco ... or   
   >> more accurately, Manhattan to San Francisco (both restricted by   
   >> natural barriers, chiefly water) and all the boroughs of New York   
   >> to the Bay Area.   
   >   
   > I was thinking New York to LA, but SF would also be a valid   
   > comparison.  (Either Manhattan to SF city or NYC to Bay Area). My   
   > impression is that NYC still wins, but I'm not as certain as I was   
   > about LA.   
   >   
   > Does Bay Area compare to NYC directly, or do we need to throw in large   
   > chunks of New Jersey and Long Island?   
   >   
   NYC as a whole is more crowded (and I believe generally more expensive)   
   than SF by a significant amount.   
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population_density   
   lists NYC as 26,953/sq.mi.; SF as 17,246.4/sq.mi.   NYC is also ten   
   times the population of SF as of 2010 (8.1 million versus 0.8 million).   
      
   NYC alone probably beats the entire SF Bay Area for total population.   
      
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