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   In article , Dorothy J Heydt   
    wrote:   
   > In article ,   
   > Greg Goss   wrote:   
   > >djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote:   
   > >>Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy   wrote:   
   > >>>djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in   
   > >>>> Greg Goss   wrote:   
   > >   
   > >>>>>She made the cover of Canada's newsmagazine (Macleans) for   
   > >>>>>saying "It was a good offer, but I would have to live in New   
   > >>>>>York. Who would want to live in New York?"   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>>I suspect that California was both cheaper and less crowded than   
   > >>>>>New York.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>But then, at this point, you're comparing New York City to the   
   > >>>entire state of California, which isn't a very good comparison. LA   
   > >>>is less densely populated, I believe, than NYC, but that doesn't   
   > >>>necessarily equate to less crowded. And the most expensive parts of   
   > >>>southern California are in Orange County, and can rival anywhere in   
   > >>>the world for expensive to live in.   
   > >>   
   > >>For concentration and crowded-ness, not to mention desirability,   
   > >>one would do better to compare New York to San Francisco ... or   
   > >>more accurately, Manhattan to San Francisco (both restricted by   
   > >>natural barriers, chiefly water) and all the boroughs of New York   
   > >>to the Bay Area.   
   > >   
   > >I was thinking New York to LA, but SF would also be a valid   
   > >comparison.  (Either Manhattan to SF city or NYC to Bay Area). My   
   > >impression is that NYC still wins, but I'm not as certain as I was   
   > >about LA.   
   > >   
   > >Does Bay Area compare to NYC directly, or do we need to throw in large   
   > >chunks of New Jersey and Long Island?   
   >   
   > I don't know.  My total experience of NYC was an afternoon at the   
   > American Museum of Natural History (carved out of an obligatory   
   > visit to Connecticut).  The subway struck me as being very like   
   > going through Hell, except that Dante didn't have to go back out   
   > through Hell; he took the shortcut to Purgatory.  Nonetheless,   
   > the dinosaurs were cool.   
      
   They may be old, but I'm not sure the New York railway company would   
   like you calling their trains "dinosaurs".   ;-)   
      
   Auckland, New Zealand on the other hand can't handle running the two   
   lines and couple of trains it currently has, and yet is still in the   
   process of wasting millions of dollars electrifying it, getting new   
   trains and carriages, and potentially building a pointless underground   
   inner city "loop" track. This is the same idiot Mayor who put a tram   
   service on the outskirts of the central city wharf area, with it going   
   nowhere useful and a long walk from any useful bus link, and then   
   wondered why people (other than a few tourists) weren't paying the   
   over-bloated price to ride on it.  :-(   
      
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