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   XPost: alt.magick   
   From: gadfly@NOSPAMmeow.org   
      
   On Wednesday 02 March, Dale Houstman wrote in rec.arts.poems:   
      
   > Shez wrote:   
   >> In article <4225D64F.3020900@skypoint.com>, Dale Houstman   
   >>  writes   
   >>   
   >>>Pip wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>"Dale Houstman"  wrote in message   
   >>>>news:42232390.4070905@skypoint.com...   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>Rhyanon wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>Ooh, grammar lames, a sign of having no wit with which to do battle.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Ooh, magick, a sign of having no ability to deal with the world as it is.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Well, you forget that the "world" is not the same as it was only 50 years   
   >>>>ago.  Much less 300 years ago.  And the world that you tidily inhabit now,   
   >>>>will not be the same one 50 years from now, much less 300 years from now.   
   >>>>So expand your thinking.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Pip   
   >>>   
   >>>We're talking to people who still believe in "magick" and you think that   
   >>>I'm the one who has to "expand" my thinking?   
   >>>   
   >>>Hilarious...   
   >>>   
   >>>dmh   
   >>   
   >> The world is still full of people who still beleive in Jehovah and   
   >> Christ.. Now if you want a fairy tale and mythology....:)   
      
   > Of course, but belief in those things is just as antiquated and silly   
   > (to my mind) as a belief in "magick."   
      
   But it has the reassuring appeal of tradition, and a knowledge of   
   Jehovah and Christ as later interpreted is necessary in order to   
   understand more than a thousand years of literature and art. It wasn't   
   always antiquated and silly.   
      
   > And - at any rate - the Bible -for   
   > all its obvious faults and flaws - is a rough (if borrowed and often   
   > self-contradictory) sort of philosophy with very real effects in the   
   > world,   
      
   There are hints of borrowed philosophy in parts of the Old Testament,   
   but I'd say that 90% of it is uncontaminated by any kind of   
   speculative thought. The "philosophy" comes from later interpreters.   
   Mostly it's a fascinating jumble of legends, poems and chronicles, of   
   varying literary quality, and if it weren't so gloriously   
   self-contradictory half the best bits would have been left out.   
      
   > and not a few people wearing robes and trying to make the trees   
   > talk. "Magick" - as a movement - has nothing to show for its existence   
   > but a few moon-worhippers and a New Age crystal shoppe at the mall.   
      
   Of course, it also provides a hope of having sex even if you're   
   repulsive to all non-deluded people.   
      
   PJR :-)   
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