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   "Dale Houstman"  wrote in message   
   news:422633E5.8060109@skypoint.com...   
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   > Karla wrote:   
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   > >>P   
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   > > I agree that Jesus, using the Word, heals(ed) bodies, souls and minds,   
   gave,   
   > > and still gives purpose to lives, and stands ready to do the same today.   
   > > Several witnesses wrote down accountings of these magic moments.  The   
   > > accountings have been reprinted for hundreds of years.   
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   > Actually, quite untrue. There are NO written accounts by any witness to   
   > these supposed miracles,   
      
   Three of the four gospels are attributed to witnesses.   
      
    and the earliest accounts even of Jesus as a   
   > person come long after his supposed death   
      
   Not a lifetime after. There were many still alive when most of the New   
   Testament was written who were living when the events it describes took   
   place, and the rest had parents and grandparents who had lived during that   
   time. There is no record to suggest anyone either saying; "I was there, and   
   that isn't how it happened"; or "Pappy/grandpappy was there and told it   
   another way."   
      
   . It is strange in fact how   
   > there is nothing written AT ALL about this supposedly startling being   
   > during his lifetime. No Roman mentions him, no Greek, and nothing else   
   > until the spurious mention of him quite a while after by Josephus.   
      
   Josephus was alive during Jesus time period. He does mention Jesus and the   
   Christians in unquestioned passages. The only disputed passages from his   
   writings are two which seem to affirm his identity as "Christos" or messiah.   
   One of these is almost certianly a later addition and the other is simply   
   reading more into a wording than it actually says.   
      
      
   > There's been more written about Dracula and Santa Calus. And "Jesus"   
   > doesn't give meaning to lives, the "idea" of Jesus sometimes does, but   
   > the blood that's been spilled in his Name seems to have rather equalled   
   > the score Good/Evil wise.   
      
   Agreed.   
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   > > Also, zealots, perverting such Words have begun wars, eradicated   
   millions of   
   > > people and caused the extinction of many life forms.  You don't consider   
   that   
   > > the work of a magician and his apprentices?   
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   > If slaughter were proof of magic, then Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and   
   > quite a number of U.S. Presidents (not to mention Charles Manson) must   
   > secretly own pointed hats, starry robes, and magic wands.   
      
   Hitler and Manson would consider your words as tribute. Both claimed magical   
   powers.   
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   > dmh   
      
   Indeed.   
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