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   From: Aetyr@nc.rr.com   
      
   "Josh Hill"  wrote in message   
   news:j7kc21t8rvq27sm1mb2m1b1pt8i64oprpi@4ax.com...   
   > On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:47:01 GMT, "Pip"  wrote:   
   >   
   > >Depends on what you think magic is.  Magic with a K is not what I'm   
   talking   
   > >about....all sorts of people believe things that are accepted in many   
   > >segments of the normal community.  How about ESP?  How about the way that   
   > >the so called paranormal is being investigated?   
   > >If you split up topics that others are calling magick, you will see that   
   you   
   > >can talk about them.  If you want to talk about them, you have to ask   
   > >specific and detailed questions.   
   > >   
   > >Let me ask you an off the cuff question, if I may...do you believe in   
   god?   
   > >If you do, why do you?  Its one of those point of view questions that   
   cannot   
   > >be proved to be true in any manner.  You have to make these kinds of   
   > >allowances when you are talking to people who do not share your world   
   view.   
   > >   
   > >Because you see, what you think of as mainstream really is a world view.   
   > >You're immersed in your own world view.   
   > >   
   > >Do you believe that earth has been visited by extra terrestrial   
   > >intelligences?  How about the possibility of it?  Would it surprise you   
   to   
   > >know that many people who believe in magick, don't believe in the   
   > >possibility of alien visitation?  Its not part of their world view.   
   > >   
   > >Would it surprise you to know that many theories about ancient history   
   > >cannot be proved?  Yet they are currently accepted by most people as   
   fact.   
   > >Did you know that string theory can't be proved?  Do you feel that string   
   > >theory is a valuable tool in understanding our physical universe?  If you   
   > >do, why do you?   
   > >   
   > >I'm not heckling you, just making a point.  You need to expand your   
   world.   
   >   
   > Different world views, no doubt, but the difference between string   
   > theory and magic is like the difference between the New York   
   > Philharmonic and a kid playing chopsticks.   
      
   Not really.  Consider string theory.  It has no proof at all.  It can be   
   played with mathmatically, but remember, many things which don't exist can   
   be "proven" mathmatically.  Math is a closed system.  As long as you play by   
   its rules, you can "prove" many things....things which you will never see.   
   We have such an ingrained respect for math, that this may sound like heresy   
   to you.  Math is like a clock.  We invented it.  We use it.  It works for   
   us.  It has its limits.  My math tutor once showed me the mathematically   
   provable egg shaped universe.  Then he erased it and showed me the   
   mathmatically provable saddle shaped universe....and then we both had a good   
   laugh.   
      
      
      
      
   >   
   > "Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate" -- entities should not   
   > be multiplied unnecessarily. Occam's little commandment is itself an   
   > excellent example of the power of good thought. Good thought is like a   
   > sleek locomotive that draws one after it at high speed; bad thought   
   > rattles, flaps its wings, blows off steam -- and falls on its nose.   
   >   
   > --   
   > Josh   
      
   Thought that is results oriented.  Only by results can you judge "good"   
   thought.   
   Pip   
      
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