XPost: alt.religion.wicca, alt.arts.poetry.comments, alt.magick   
   From: Aunty_Kreist@satanickittens.net   
      
   "Dale Houstman"  wrote in message   
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   > Aunty Kreist wrote:   
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   > > I think many people unfamiliar with "magic" have a sort of idea of   
   wizened   
   > > wizards, and Harry Potter type spells. Real magic is more subtle than   
   that.   
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   > Yes, subtle to the vanishing point.   
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   > > A good example that most non-magicals can identify with....take Reiki,   
   for   
   > > instance. Reiki is a practice of manipulating the body's energies,   
   either   
   > > internally, or sending those energies out. This is actually a form of   
   magic.   
   > > There are also many types of martial arts that manipulate and control   
   either   
   > > the body's energies, or the energies around them.   
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   > First off, the idea that certain practices (no matter how physically   
   > beneficial) are somehow manipulating the bodies' "energies" (whatever   
   > the hell that means) is total blarney.   
      
   I disagree. Do you honestly believe that people are incapable of   
   manipulating the energy of their body?   
      
      
   One needn't be "magickal" to   
   > figure out that exercise is a benefit to the body.   
      
   Really? Then come visit me astrally. Right now- you can plop your ass on my   
   couch. Shouldn't be difficult. After all, it's a totally mundane and simple   
   thing to do, no?   
      
      
      
   What you are saying   
   > is simply an extension of the sub-par mythology which creates the idea   
   > of magick in the first place, and simply doesn't make the grade as   
   evidence.   
      
   If you can't understand it now, then you most likely never will. I'll let   
   the Night Hags show ya.   
      
   Muhahaha!   
      
      
      
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   > > I do agree with that anyone who claims they can make trees talk, or turn   
   > > someone into a mouse belongs in the nuthatch. ;)   
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   > > Magic is simply energy, to make it easy to comprehend to folks.   
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   > Too simple by a long shot. Maguic isn't supposed to "simply" be energy:   
   > if it were, why become a magician? The energies is there despite your   
   > presence. Magic is supposed to be a learned manipulation of energies,   
   > some real and most invented. The fact is, no magician can ever point to   
   > an actual result of their efforts except in the most diffuse manner: "I   
   > waved a red hankie over Gramma's head and she didn't go blind!" and such   
   > are common attempts to make the practice seem actual when it is merely a   
   > bundle of wishful thinking, flim-flam, and self-delusion.   
      
   I can. I have used magic and had incredible results. So have many others.   
   All I can say is, perhaps you just don't have the mental capacity to do it.   
   Perhaps you just don't know how. Whatever your reason is, it isn't the same   
   with everybody else.   
      
   I have been in a place where an African Priest used drums and rainstick type   
   instruments to raise energy in order to create a sacred space. The   
   temperature in this place raised by an easy 10 degrees, within 5 minutes.   
   _He_ caused this.   
      
   I have done a defensive spell with another witch in order to force shady   
   business owners out. We suddenly began to have what appeared to be   
   poltergeist activity, with it being centered on the targets.   
      
   These are two examples of many....how would you explain these things   
   happening in a mundane way?   
      
      
      
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