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   From: Aunty_Kreist@satanickittens.net   
      
   "Dale Houstman"  wrote in message   
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   > Martin Swain wrote:   
   > > Dale Houstman wrote:   
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   > >> The wider point is that there is no observable manifestation of   
   > >> "magick" in the world,   
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   > > Must be nice to be omniscient. Not only do apparently   
   > > have a complete understanding of what is observable and what is   
   > > not, (presumably encompassing the observational powers of   
   > > every single human being alive), but you also seem to have access   
   > > to the knowledge of exactly what there is in the world for   
   > > them to observe!   
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   > Not omniscience: I leave that to those who are "privy" to an invisible   
   > and ineffectual other-world. One needn't be ominscient to say that proof   
   > of magic (beyond heresay and vague experiences caused by sleep   
   > deprivation, drugs, hysteria, crisis, etc.)   
      
   I've seen examples of it, without any of your above criteria.   
      
      
      
   simply doesn't exist. If it   
   > had been happening as much as is claimed, it would be impossible to miss   
   > in the newspapers, the reference books, and life at large. There is no   
   > doubt there are people who will tell us that they have witnessed   
   > "magick" but that doesn't constitute proof, only testimony, and   
   > testimony is there to be weighed.   
      
   I guess the buybull is a work of fiction then.   
      
      
    None of it has yet made its way into   
   > the proof column. It doesn't take a god to comprehend this, only a human   
   > with a functioning nervous system and five good senses.   
      
   It's a shame you're too closed minded to experience the sixth. You're really   
   missing out.   
      
      
   > dmh   
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