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   XPost: alt.magick   
   From: jani@dsl.pipex.com   
      
   "Pertial"  wrote in message   
   news:4226ff8b$1_1@127.0.0.1...   
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   > "Diana"  wrote in message   
   > news:1109834206.238854.325890@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...   
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   >> Pertial wrote:   
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   >>   
   >>> >> Name one magician whose magic is responsible for ANY   
   >>> >> change in the world at all.   
   >>> >>   
   >>> >> Embarassing, isn't it?   
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   >>> >> P   
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   >>> > You. Me.   
   >>>   
   >>> I never heard of you, and you never heard of me.   
   >>> Doesn't sound like much effect.   
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   >>   
   >> Sure it does. In what seems an offhanded way. Words contain ideas. When   
   >> they are voiced (written or spoken) they have the power to repel, heal,   
   >> inform or what have you. (They bring about some action --physical and   
   >> mental.)   
   >   
   > I said magic. Not the "power of words".   
   > You are from UAP, right?   
   >   
   >>   
   >> They have the power to cause revolts, bring people together (lets say   
   >> for humanitarian reasons like the victims of the Tsunami), or to change   
   >> a person in the smallest way.   
   >>   
   >> Nonverbal communication is similar. With a look you can cause someone   
   >> to react in a specific way if they let you.   
   >   
   > Read my statement.   
   >   
   > No effect. No magician is famous for anything magic. Never in the   
   > papers, on TV etc...  Never happens.   
      
   How would anyone know, unless the magician themselves publicised it? You   
   wouldn't, any more that you know what goes on behind closed doors at Cabinet   
   meetings. All you see is the effects.   
      
   >   
   > Magic is a social gathering type thing, like religion, and that's   
   > all the reality there is to it.   
      
   Social gathering for the fluffies and wikkins and crystal-jammers, sure.   
   That's because they follow the xian "sing hallelujah and bring a casserole"   
   model. Got nothing to do with magic or witchcraft, though.   
      
   Jani   
      
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