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   From: jani@dsl.pipex.com   
      
   "Pertial"  wrote in message   
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   >>> No effect. No magician is famous for anything magic. Never in the   
   >>> papers, on TV etc...  Never happens.   
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   >> How would anyone know,   
   >   
   > If there was anything to magic don't you think someone would   
   > have figured it out by now?   
      
   Not quite with you, there - do you mean someone would have figured out how   
   to do it, or figured out that someone else was doing it?   
      
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   >> unless the magician themselves publicised it? You wouldn't, any more that   
   >> you know what goes on behind closed doors at Cabinet meetings. All you   
   >> see is the effects.   
   >   
   > Yes, none attributed to magic.   
   >   
   > I'm supposed to take Bush's (or anyone's)   
   > messages from God seriously?   
      
   Dear me, no. But what's God got to do with it? My point is that when policy   
   decisions are made in private, all the public knows about is the effect of   
   them, which may be quite subtle, take a while to filter through the channels   
   of legislation and so on, and might never be traced back to the individuals   
   who set out the policy in the first place.   
      
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   > Don't think so.   
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   >>>   
   >>> Magic is a social gathering type thing, like religion, and that's   
   >>> all the reality there is to it.   
   >>   
   >> Social gathering for the fluffies and wikkins and crystal-jammers, sure.   
   >> That's because they follow the xian "sing hallelujah and bring a   
   >> casserole" model. Got nothing to do with magic or witchcraft, though.   
   >   
   > I say it is the only effect that magic (or God) has.   
   >   
   > Really, Jani. Tell me one thing that you can repeatably do that   
   > would impress me as something magickal.   
      
   What, like shooting fireballs out the fingertips? Sorry, you'll have to fall   
   back on the Harry Potter movies, or Charmed, for that sort of thing :)   
      
   >   
   >        and *that* is a miracle...Right...For them, probably...>   
   >   
   > But don't let my scoffing disbelief shake your faith in the   
   > power of magicKKK.   
      
   Heh. I leave faith to the religious types. I'm interested in what works, and   
   *why* it works, and "because the Goddess says so" is just not good enough,   
   yanno? :)   
      
   Jani   
      
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