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   From: shez@oldcity.f2s.com   
      
   In article <38pf06F5pvaolU1@individual.net>, Jani    
   writes   
   >   
   >"Shez"  wrote in message   
   >news:aa1a7SDT+3JCFwJW@oldcity.f2s.com...   
   >> In article <38pbtvF5ql0eqU1@individual.net>, Jani    
   >> writes   
   >>>   
   >>>"Shez"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:frmLHSBcb2JCFw6f@oldcity.f2s.com...   
   >>>> In article , Tom   
   >>>>  writes   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>"Peter J Ross"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>news:slrnd2ch3l.43r.gadfly@nntp.petitmorte.net...   
   >>>>>> On Wednesday 02 March, Aunty Kreist wrote in rec.arts.poems:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> > There are also many types of martial arts that manipulate and   
   >>>>>> > control   
   >>>>>either   
   >>>>>> > the body's energies, or the energies around them.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> WTF are "energies", and how they be measured in a laboratory where the   
   >>>>>> "energised" person's sleeves are checked for hidden Aces?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>In my experience talking to occultists and newagers, the term "energy"   
   >>>>>is   
   >>>>>usually equivalent to "feelings".   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Emotions are "energy".  A feeling of warmth is "energy".  A tingling   
   >>>>>sensation is "energy".  A feeling that things are going well or badly is   
   >>>>>"energy".  Even a memory or an imagining of a feeling is "energy".   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>Of course, they tend to get confused about what is an interior feeling   
   >>>>>and   
   >>>>>what is a perception of an external force, which makes it difficult for   
   >>>>>them   
   >>>>>to express themselves very clearly about this.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Why can't people pay   
   >>>>>> attention to the real world around them instead of having to invent   
   >>>>>> tedious "energies" and such stuff? Is reality really too hard for the   
   >>>>>> human mind to accept?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>We don't all have the capacity to conceptualize reality in that much   
   >>>>>detail.   
   >>>>>Those with less ability or different motivation settle for less precise   
   >>>>>explanations.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>I don't think that these occultists and newagers are completely wrong.   
   >>>>>It's   
   >>>>>just that their explanations are not as precise as those of scientists.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>See Asimov's wonderful essay "The Relativity of Wrong".   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> And his wonderful short story Magick inc.   
   >>>   
   >>>Hon, that was Heinlein ;)   
   >>>   
   >>>Jani   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >> Oh so it was, that will teach me, I have been re-reading the   
   >> Caves of steel series... after that terrible movie they made...   
   >> I don't know why I mix up Heinlein and Assimove... I should know better.   
   >   
   >I've been known to quote Clarke and say it's Asimov, or vice versa ;)   
   >Usually get my Heinleins right, though.   
   >   
   >Jani   
   >   
   Clark I usually don't get muddled with other authors, Heinlein and   
   Assimove I am forever getting confused....   
   >   
      
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