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   From: Aetyr@nc.rr.com   
      
   "Stuart Leichter"  wrote in message   
   news:BE4BDD83.23E32%leichtes@bellsouth.net...   
   > in article _JtVd.13247$ha.824628@twister.southeast.rr.com, Pip at   
   > Aetyr@nc.rr.com wrote on 3/2/05 8:27 PM:   
   >   
   > >   
   > Are you asking if all cultures feel the same set of emotions such as the   
   > kind of love you mention, or envy, jealousy, and choking in sports (or   
   > hunting)?   
      
   No I wasn't, though it is an interesting point.  I was just mentioning the   
   concept of love as we know it in the west, with emphasis on the personal and   
   ephemeral nature of it.   
      
      
      
   >I doubt if all cultures feel the same things.   
      
   I think all people feel the same kind of things.  But I also know that   
   diffrent cultures deal with the feeling in other ways.   
      
      
      
      
      
      
   In the   
   > Hellenic/Hebraic/Christian/Western/European literature, we don't find that   
   > sort of love -- being in love or smitten -- mentioned until the 12th   
   > century.   
      
   You forgot about Sappho, and Homer.   
      
      
   For a while, Love was only literary. Then it was only Courtly. Then   
   > it was only Romantic. Then it spilled out into rl. (C.S. Lewis, The   
   Allegory   
   > of Love).   
      
   I have read this, but I don't agree with him.  He does a good trace of the   
   written word on the subject, but he leaves out a weath of history.  There   
   are Egyptian love poems thousands of years old.  For some reason he leaves   
   this kind of thing out.   
      
      
      
    By that time, we notice it in Romeo & Juliet and in Othello, but   
   > the jury were out. Finally, Ibsen buys it and has his characters die or   
   > suffer worse for being in love. Yet Kafka jokes about it. 20th-century   
   close   
   > readings took the romance out of love by showing that romantic love was   
   > invented by troubadors and fostered by poets and other mountebanks.   
      
   Once again, I don't agree with his thesis. He is a literary historian, but   
   not a real historian. He leaves out too much material, and he examines only   
   a small segment of society in his research. Not meaning to argue or debate   
   the point, but I disagree with him.   
      
      
      
      
   The book   
   > of love is now banned in all PC intimacies. There are no guidelines (Rollo   
   > May, The Schizoid Personality).   
   >   
   > Has anyone in this thread mentioned Carl Ballantine? He was the one who   
   cut   
   > neckties that stayed cut no matter how hard he tried to pull out an intact   
   > necktie from the hat.   
      
   Don't know of Ballentine.  The necktie thing just has me going ?????   
   Pip   
      
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