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   From: shez@oldcity.f2s.com   
      
   In article <3pkf211150skorip9apk5luh8n1nks0kga@4ax.com>, Josh Hill   
    writes   
   >On Thu, 3 Mar 2005 00:30:16 +0000, Shez  wrote:   
   >   
   >>In article , Josh Hill   
   >> writes   
   >>>On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:47:01 GMT, "Pip"  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>Depends on what you think magic is.  Magic with a K is not what I'm talking   
   >>>>about....all sorts of people believe things that are accepted in many   
   >>>>segments of the normal community.  How about ESP?  How about the way that   
   >>>>the so called paranormal is being investigated?   
   >>>>If you split up topics that others are calling magick, you will see that   
   you   
   >>>>can talk about them.  If you want to talk about them, you have to ask   
   >>>>specific and detailed questions.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Let me ask you an off the cuff question, if I may...do you believe in god?   
   >>>>If you do, why do you?  Its one of those point of view questions that   
   cannot   
   >>>>be proved to be true in any manner.  You have to make these kinds of   
   >>>>allowances when you are talking to people who do not share your world view.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Because you see, what you think of as mainstream really is a world view.   
   >>>>You're immersed in your own world view.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Do you believe that earth has been visited by extra terrestrial   
   >>>>intelligences?  How about the possibility of it?  Would it surprise you to   
   >>>>know that many people who believe in magick, don't believe in the   
   >>>>possibility of alien visitation?  Its not part of their world view.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>Would it surprise you to know that many theories about ancient history   
   >>>>cannot be proved?  Yet they are currently accepted by most people as fact.   
   >>>>Did you know that string theory can't be proved?  Do you feel that string   
   >>>>theory is a valuable tool in understanding our physical universe?  If you   
   >>>>do, why do you?   
   >>>>   
   >>>>I'm not heckling you, just making a point.  You need to expand your world.   
   >>>   
   >>>Different world views, no doubt, but the difference between string   
   >>>theory and magic is like the difference between the New York   
   >>>Philharmonic and a kid playing chopsticks.   
   >>   
   >>Why.. Because you beleive in string theory and not in magick..   
   >> I think most people would find your theory little lacking :)   
   >   
   >No, because the universe believes in string theory, or something like.   
   >It bubbled up from the physics, it bubbled up from the math. It's as   
   >if God said "OK, guys, I'm going to leave something here for you in   
   >the catalog of finite symmetry groups, and when you see it, you'll see   
   >My hand." Minus the God part, of course.   
      
   You do understand what the word theory means don't you, it means not   
   proven, it means possibly or might be.   
   It doesn't mean that the whole universe accepts and understands what   
   string theory is.. Not unless you have a radio that reaches every planet   
   that might contain sentient life forms. And can ask each of them   
   personally..   
   If you insist on bringing the whole universe into your arguments then   
   produce a written not from each sentient being please...   
   Plus one from the god who you seem to think left a message on the   
   firmament about string theory....   
      
      
      
   >>>"Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate" -- entities should not   
   >>>be multiplied unnecessarily. Occam's little commandment is itself an   
   >>>excellent example of the power of good thought. Good thought is like a   
   >>>sleek locomotive that draws one after it at high speed; bad thought   
   >>>rattles, flaps its wings, blows off steam -- and falls on its nose.   
   >>   
   >>Which is which I wonder, and how do you tell the difference, I have   
   >>noticed that people generally think their thoughts are the good sort and   
   >>everyone else's are the bad ones.. Somehow that doesn't quite make   
   >>sense, but its never the less true.   
   >   
   >Well, Einstein thought his thoughts were the good sort, and so did   
   >Lysenko. And one was a genius, and one was an ass. Fortunately,   
   >science allows others to make that determination.   
      
    Einstein was not just a mathematics genius he was a man and he was a   
   total bastard... no doubt you would consider that his genius was such   
   that even his nasty side was acceptable. Not all of his ideas have born   
   fruition and some of his ideas have been challenged and are being   
   challenged as we speak.   
   >   
   >And that's one of the best things about it, the fact that it lets any   
   >of us test theories in a way that lets us separate the work of an   
   >Einstein from that of a Lyseno, even though we're not Einsteins   
   >ourselves. All we have to do is follow a few basic rules and truth is   
   >peeled from falsehood like a colorful Polaroid snapshot from its gooey   
   >brown negative.   
      
   Truth and falsehood... peeled like a Polaroid, how very accepting you  I   
   suppose it hasn't dawned on you yet that one persons truth is another   
   persons falsehood, and that truth itself is subjective.   
      
      
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