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   way left - he "drove them away" as Will puts it. Will, of course, never   
   left, which is why he attracted more and more of their heat.   
      
   > He did attempt to steer me away from "Team Dunce," wondering aloud how I   
   > would feel when I realized that my "teammates" were illiterate buffoons.   
   >  Unfortunately, I mistook PJR's behavior as abusive, whereas he was he   
   > was actually retaliating against the group trolls.   
      
   Of course he was deliberately abusive to you: he called you names,   
   flamed your poetry, and even called you an illiterate buffoon when it   
   suited him. Hw sis nor xonaiswe you (or Corey) to be a poet, and he did   
   not want you as an ally. Deal with it.   
      
   > I have since offered a public apology to PJR.   
      
   And his reply was? __________________________   
      
   >> He wanted meat puppets, yes men who'd be willing to   
   >> stay in subordinate role, not independent thinkers.   
   >   
   > Again, a moot point, as only PJR would know what PJR wanted.   
      
   It's stupid to say you can't judge a person's thoughts by what they do.   
   You, for instance, inferred from his flaming of Will and me that he was   
   giving you friendly advice (which is silly, as he was in no way your   
   friend). Judging a person's thoughts by their actions is in fact more   
   reliable than judging them by what they tell you about them.   
      
   > I can, however, state with certainty that he did not want anyone to be   
   > defending, supporting, and further enabling the trolls -- which is what   
   > I had unwittingly done.   
      
   Of course a team of trolls, like he successfully aseembled and you   
   copied with your Team Monkey, don't want rival teams. Their preferred   
   M.O. is to attack one person at a time.   
      
      
   >   
   >> Independent thinker   
   >> wouls sooner or later disagree with him and challenge his opinions, with   
   >> the result that the fighting would move into his team, and it would   
   >> cease to act as a team.   
   >   
   > Again, PJR never had a "team."  He considered Gwyneth and Horatio to be   
   > "regulars," but they were obviously independent thinkers, and largely   
   > ignored the trolls (Team Dunce).   
   >   
   > PJR lumped me in with "Team Dunce" because I was openly trolling him and   
   > his friends from alt.kooks.  (Again, I had swallowed your story that   
   > alt.kooks were a group of Usenet "thugs" who bullied and harassed Usenet   
   > posters for fun.  You'd actually claimed that they did it to blackmail   
   > them, but even I was never *that* gullible.)   
   >   
   > As to "playing the snob," I fully believe that PJR is a literary snob   
   > who peppers his verses with snippets of Greek and Latin, and continually   
   > alludes to classical music.  Not that I have any problem with such   
   > snobbery.  Poetry is no longer a popular artform, but one that plays to   
   > intellectuals and academics -- such "elitist" allusions are merely a   
   > form of catering to one's audience.   
      
   Good; I'm glad that our conclusions agree about something. The only   
   disagreement I have is with your last line. Sych elitist behavior is   
   primarly a way to try to convince your antagonist of your superiority to   
   him - the effect on the audience is secondary.   
      
   >> It's the same reason that, for all his trying, Corey never made it onto   
   >> Team Mokey, either.   
   >   
   > Were there such a thing as "Team Monkey".   
      
   As I said, it's as real (and as imaginary) as "Team Donkey"). Team   
   Monkey was you, Jim, and NG - you formed it in in 2017 to attack Stephan   
   (whom NG was trolling) and Will (whom Jim was by then trolling). I see   
   that I'll have to write about it more. But there's no reason to bury it   
   down here in a thread no one's likely to see; I'll have to put it on a   
   stand-alone thread, just like your misrepresenttions of /April/   
   magazine.   
      
   > Corey would have been welcomed > as a member.   
      
   By you, I'm sure; but Jim hated him, and NG (who supported Jim) didn't   
   want him either. You couldn't have both of them. And, as I said, Corey   
   would not have been content to be a mere flunkie, but would have ended   
   up   
      
   > But there was never any such thing as "Team Monkey."  What   
   > you call "Team Monkey" was simply the latest group of "regulars" -- a   
   > group of individuals who acted independently of one another.   
      
   One could call you and Jim "regulars" because he'd been posting his   
   poetry here forever, and you'd been posting yours - but it's silly to   
   call NG one. They were here to troll Stephan and nothing else.   
      
   > The only   
   > thing the so-called "Team" had in common was their dislike of the   
   > practices of Will Donkey and his socks, who buried any legitimate,   
   > poetry-related conversations under an endless barrage of mutual   
   > slurp-posts and spam.   
      
   Now, that may have been your own reason for disliking Will - that he was   
   burying your "work" -- or it may have just been a story you cooked up to   
   give Jim a reason to troll and flame Will. I've seen you repeat is to   
   often that I suspect it's the latter.   
      
   >> Corey, btw, is a participating member of the Official AAPC FB Group, and   
   > has several poems appearing in our forthcoming year-end issue.   
      
   As I said, I'll check the back of your book covers later, if you'll give   
   me the time. As is, I'm spending too much time correcting your   
   misinformation, and don't intend to go off on any fact-checking projects   
   while you continue your  flaming of the few AAPC regulars left here.   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)