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   >> I had unwittingly done.   
   >   
   > Of course a team of trolls, like he successfully aseembled and you   
   > copied with your Team Monkey, don't want rival teams. Their preferred   
   > M.O. is to attack one person at a time.   
      
   There were no such "Teams," George.   
      
   What you mistakenly call "Team Monkey" came about primarily as the   
   result of three separated, but interrelated, events that occurred at   
   about the same time:   
      
   1) Will conned Jim out of $50, effectively polarizing the group, 2) I   
   began to see the real Will come forward -- both through his various   
   autobiographical posts (primarily on your Wiki) and through his   
   interactions with NancyGene, ME, Usenet Editor, and others, and 3)   
   Will's recruitment of various friends (either from his home town or from   
   the Dylan group) as backup trolls.   
      
   When I'd asked Will's dominate sock (Stinky George) to cut back on his   
   posts (basically just slurp-swapping with Will), both he and Will   
   responded by doubling their efforts.   
      
   This only served to make everyone sick of their shenanigans, and more   
   and more members took to complaining about them as well.  When Will and   
   his sock attacked them, it quickly became a matter of Will and his socks   
   vs practically everyone else.   
      
   But the everyone else was never a team.  We were just a bunch of   
   individuals who wanted Will to STFU and die (preferably of cancer or   
   something equally slow and painful).  That doesn't mean we were ever a   
   "Team."  We were just the latest generation of "regulars" that the   
   Donkey had decided to drive away.   
      
      
      
   >>> Independent thinker   
   >>> wouls sooner or later disagree with him and challenge his opinions, with   
   >>> the result that the fighting would move into his team, and it would   
   >>> cease to act as a team.   
   >>   
   >> Again, PJR never had a "team."  He considered Gwyneth and Horatio to be   
   >> "regulars," but they were obviously independent thinkers, and largely   
   >> ignored the trolls (Team Dunce).   
   >>   
   >> PJR lumped me in with "Team Dunce" because I was openly trolling him and   
   >> his friends from alt.kooks.  (Again, I had swallowed your story that   
   >> alt.kooks were a group of Usenet "thugs" who bullied and harassed Usenet   
   >> posters for fun.  You'd actually claimed that they did it to blackmail   
   >> them, but even I was never *that* gullible.)   
   >>   
   >> As to "playing the snob," I fully believe that PJR is a literary snob   
   >> who peppers his verses with snippets of Greek and Latin, and continually   
   >> alludes to classical music.  Not that I have any problem with such   
   >> snobbery.  Poetry is no longer a popular artform, but one that plays to   
   >> intellectuals and academics -- such "elitist" allusions are merely a   
   >> form of catering to one's audience.   
   >   
   > Good; I'm glad that our conclusions agree about something. The only   
   > disagreement I have is with your last line. Sych elitist behavior is   
   > primarly a way to try to convince your antagonist of your superiority to   
   > him - the effect on the audience is secondary.   
      
   Love him or hate him, one has to admit that PJR is both well educated   
   and intelligent.  An intelligent person knows they are not going to   
   think that they can convince anyone not suffering from low self-esteem   
   of their superiority to them.   
      
   Nor is PJR peppering his poetry with such allusions as a calculated   
   attempt to make his readers feel like morons.   
      
      
   >>> It's the same reason that, for all his trying, Corey never made it onto   
   >>> Team Mokey, either.   
   >>   
   >> Were there such a thing as "Team Monkey".   
   >   
   > As I said, it's as real (and as imaginary) as "Team Donkey"). Team   
   > Monkey was you, Jim, and NG - you formed it in in 2017 to attack Stephan   
   > (whom NG was trolling) and Will (whom Jim was by then trolling). I see   
   > that I'll have to write about it more. But there's no reason to bury it   
   > down here in a thread no one's likely to see; I'll have to put it on a   
   > stand-alone thread, just like your misrepresenttions of /April/   
   > magazine.   
      
   Team Donkey/Team Dunce has always existed because its members have   
   always believed that they are being persecuted by "jealous, malicious   
   trolls."   
      
   Team Monkey has only ever existed in Team Donkey's paranoid eyes.   
      
   Yes, NancyGene came to this group because she was trolling the late,   
   unlamented Pickles.  She stayed, after Pickles' death, because she has a   
   love of poetry, and has developed into a poet of the highest order in   
   only a short period of time.   
      
   Jim, however, was not trolling your Donkey.  Your Donkey conned him out   
   of $50 and he was justifiably pissed at him.   
      
      
   >> Corey would have been welcomed > as a member.   
   >   
   > By you, I'm sure; but Jim hated him, and NG (who supported Jim) didn't   
   > want him either. You couldn't have both of them. And, as I said, Corey   
   > would not have been content to be a mere flunkie, but would have ended   
   > up   
      
   But Corey *is* a member of the Official AAPC FB Group.  He's a member,   
   not a flunkie; and neither Jim nor NancyGene have shown any animosity   
   toward him there.   
      
      
   >> But there was never any such thing as "Team Monkey."  What   
   >> you call "Team Monkey" was simply the latest group of "regulars" -- a   
   >> group of individuals who acted independently of one another.   
   >   
   > One could call you and Jim "regulars" because he'd been posting his   
   > poetry here forever, and you'd been posting yours - but it's silly to   
   > call NG one. They were here to troll Stephan and nothing else.   
      
   NancyGene has now been here for, what? Eight years?   
      
   She's not only a member of AAPC, but she proofreads, co-edits, and   
   creates the Index for AYoS.  She has earned the right to be called a   
   "regular" dozens of times over.   
      
      
   >> The only   
   >> thing the so-called "Team" had in common was their dislike of the   
   >> practices of Will Donkey and his socks, who buried any legitimate,   
   >> poetry-related conversations under an endless barrage of mutual   
   >> slurp-posts and spam.   
   >   
   > Now, that may have been your own reason for disliking Will - that he was   
   > burying your "work" -- or it may have just been a story you cooked up to   
   > give Jim a reason to troll and flame Will. I've seen you repeat is to   
   > often that I suspect it's the latter.   
      
   Again, Jim wasn't trolling him.  Will had conned him out of $50 and he   
   wanted an apology.   
      
   I have several reasons for disliking Will.   
      
   1) He intentionally drives members away by burying their posts under his   
   60+ post/day slurp-fest with his favorite sock. 2) His using AAPC to con   
   Jim and Corey out of money.  3) His life story (based on his   
   autobiographical entries on your Wiki and elsewhere).   
      
   I was, however, willing to work with him -- and offered various   
   "treaties" wherein some mutually acceptable co-existence here could be   
   achieved.  Ever the Donkey, Will repeatedly refused.   
      
      
   >>> Corey, btw, is a participating member of the Official AAPC FB Group, and   
   >> has several poems appearing in our forthcoming year-end issue.   
   >   
   > As I said, I'll check the back of your book covers later, if you'll give   
   > me the time. As is, I'm spending too much time correcting your   
   > misinformation, and don't intend to go off on any fact-checking projects   
   > while you continue your  flaming of the few AAPC regulars left here.   
      
   It would be stupid of me to lie about something that can be easily   
   checked.   
      
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