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   > debates.  If PJR thinks differently, that's his subjective opinion.   
   >   
   > PJR's opinion won't change mine (based on how I felt about him), anymore   
   > than my opinion will change his (based on his feelings toward me).   
   >   
   > Online relationships can be complicated, and multi-faceted, George.  Not   
   > everything is good/bad, black/white, them/us, George Dance/The World as   
   > you purport.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> I can, however, state with certainty that he did not want anyone to be   
   >>> defending, supporting, and further enabling the trolls -- which is what   
   >>> I had unwittingly done.   
   >>   
   >> Of course a team of trolls, like he successfully aseembled and you   
   >> copied with your Team Monkey, don't want rival teams. Their preferred   
   >> M.O. is to attack one person at a time.   
   >   
   > There were no such "Teams," George.   
   >   
   > What you mistakenly call "Team Monkey" came about primarily as the   
   > result of three separated, but interrelated, events that occurred at   
   > about the same time:   
   >   
   > 1) Will conned Jim out of $50, effectively polarizing the group, 2) I   
   > began to see the real Will come forward -- both through his various   
   > autobiographical posts (primarily on your Wiki) and through his   
   > interactions with NancyGene, ME, Usenet Editor, and others, and 3)   
   > Will's recruitment of various friends (either from his home town or from   
   > the Dylan group) as backup trolls.   
   >   
   > When I'd asked Will's dominate sock (Stinky George) to cut back on his   
   > posts (basically just slurp-swapping with Will), both he and Will   
   > responded by doubling their efforts.   
   >   
   > This only served to make everyone sick of their shenanigans, and more   
   > and more members took to complaining about them as well.  When Will and   
   > his sock attacked them, it quickly became a matter of Will and his socks   
   > vs practically everyone else.   
   >   
   > But the everyone else was never a team.  We were just a bunch of   
   > individuals who wanted Will to STFU and die (preferably of cancer or   
   > something equally slow and painful).  That doesn't mean we were ever a   
   > "Team."  We were just the latest generation of "regulars" that the   
   > Donkey had decided to drive away.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >>>> Independent thinker   
   >>>> wouls sooner or later disagree with him and challenge his opinions, with   
   >>>> the result that the fighting would move into his team, and it would   
   >>>> cease to act as a team.   
   >>>   
   >>> Again, PJR never had a "team."  He considered Gwyneth and Horatio to be   
   >>> "regulars," but they were obviously independent thinkers, and largely   
   >>> ignored the trolls (Team Dunce).   
   >>>   
   >>> PJR lumped me in with "Team Dunce" because I was openly trolling him and   
   >>> his friends from alt.kooks.  (Again, I had swallowed your story that   
   >>> alt.kooks were a group of Usenet "thugs" who bullied and harassed Usenet   
   >>> posters for fun.  You'd actually claimed that they did it to blackmail   
   >>> them, but even I was never *that* gullible.)   
   >>>   
   >>> As to "playing the snob," I fully believe that PJR is a literary snob   
   >>> who peppers his verses with snippets of Greek and Latin, and continually   
   >>> alludes to classical music.  Not that I have any problem with such   
   >>> snobbery.  Poetry is no longer a popular artform, but one that plays to   
   >>> intellectuals and academics -- such "elitist" allusions are merely a   
   >>> form of catering to one's audience.   
   >>   
   >> Good; I'm glad that our conclusions agree about something. The only   
   >> disagreement I have is with your last line. Sych elitist behavior is   
   >> primarly a way to try to convince your antagonist of your superiority to   
   >> him - the effect on the audience is secondary.   
   >   
   > Love him or hate him, one has to admit that PJR is both well educated   
   > and intelligent.  An intelligent person knows they are not going to   
   > think that they can convince anyone not suffering from low self-esteem   
   > of their superiority to them.   
   >   
   > Nor is PJR peppering his poetry with such allusions as a calculated   
   > attempt to make his readers feel like morons.   
   >   
   >   
   >>>> It's the same reason that, for all his trying, Corey never made it onto   
   >>>> Team Mokey, either.   
   >>>   
   >>> Were there such a thing as "Team Monkey".   
   >>   
   >> As I said, it's as real (and as imaginary) as "Team Donkey"). Team   
   >> Monkey was you, Jim, and NG - you formed it in in 2017 to attack Stephan   
   >> (whom NG was trolling) and Will (whom Jim was by then trolling). I see   
   >> that I'll have to write about it more. But there's no reason to bury it   
   >> down here in a thread no one's likely to see; I'll have to put it on a   
   >> stand-alone thread, just like your misrepresenttions of /April/   
   >> magazine.   
   >   
   > Team Donkey/Team Dunce has always existed because its members have   
   > always believed that they are being persecuted by "jealous, malicious   
   > trolls."   
      
   Well, the malicious trolls are a given on Usenet.   
      
   You're living proof of that, Michael Pendragon.   
      
   > Team Monkey has only ever existed in Team Donkey's paranoid eyes.   
      
   Actually, it was you and Senetto who began the team idea, Pendragon.   
      
   > Yes, NancyGene came to this group because she was trolling the late,   
      
   Because of her bizarre obsession with Stephan Pickering, you mean.   
      
   > She stayed, after Pickles' death, because she has a   
   > love of poetry, and has developed into a poet of the highest order in   
   > only a short period of time.   
   >   
   > Jim, however, was not trolling your Donkey.  Your Donkey conned him out   
   > of $50 and he was justifiably pissed at him.   
      
   There you go, still repeating that lie.   
      
   The money was given to Zod, but I was the one who paid back the $50 to   
   Jim Senetto, at least twice.   
      
   The agreement was when the second $50 was sent to Jim Senetto, the   
   matter would finally be dropped.   
      
   In the end, Jim Senetto wound up getting over $100 for his fifty.   
      
      
   >>> Corey would have been welcomed > as a member.   
   >>   
   >> By you, I'm sure; but Jim hated him, and NG (who supported Jim) didn't   
   >> want him either. You couldn't have both of them. And, as I said, Corey   
   >> would not have been content to be a mere flunkie, but would have ended   
   >> up   
   >   
   > But Corey *is* a member of the Official AAPC FB Group.  He's a member,   
      
   AAPC is a Usenet newsgroup, and if Corey isn't posting here he's more   
   like a former regular.   
      
   > not a flunkie; and neither Jim nor NancyGene have shown any animosity   
   > toward him there.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> But there was never any such thing as "Team Monkey."  What   
   >>> you call "Team Monkey" was simply the latest group of "regulars" -- a   
   >>> group of individuals who acted independently of one another.   
   >>   
   >> One could call you and Jim "regulars" because he'd been posting his   
   >> poetry here forever, and you'd been posting yours - but it's silly to   
   >> call NG one. They were here to troll Stephan and nothing else.   
      
      
   Exactly.   
      
   > NancyGene has now been here for, what? Eight years?   
      
   Nancy Gene hasn't posted here in almost a year, I think.   
      
   A former member, in other words.   
      
   > She's not only a member of AAPC,   
      
   AAPC is a Usenet newsgroup.   
      
   If NG doesn't post here, she's not on the newsgroup.   
      
   Ask Retro Guy to explain Usenet to you, Pendragon.   
      
   > but she proofreads, co-edits, and   
   > creates the Index for AYoS.  She has earned the right to be called a   
   > "regular" dozens of times over.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> The only   
   >>> thing the so-called "Team" had in common was their dislike of the   
   >>> practices of Will Donkey   
      
   Says the lying green monkey Michael Pendragon.   
      
   Why do you lie so much, green monkey boy?   
      
   > and his socks, who buried any legitimate,   
   >>> poetry-related conversations under an endless barrage of mutual   
      
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