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   >> WTF are you spewing, George?   
   >>   
   >> I said that *you* are the one who had misinformed me about PJR; and that   
   >> it is impossible for either of us to know what PJR thought.   
   >>   
   >> As to whether PJR was my friend, that's a matter of subjectivity.   
   >>   
   >> I like to think of us as friendly adversaries in a series of ongoing   
   >> debates.  If PJR thinks differently, that's his subjective opinion.   
   >>   
   >> PJR's opinion won't change mine (based on how I felt about him), anymore   
   >> than my opinion will change his (based on his feelings toward me).   
   >>   
   >> Online relationships can be complicated, and multi-faceted, George.  Not   
   >> everything is good/bad, black/white, them/us, George Dance/The World as   
   >> you purport.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> I can, however, state with certainty that he did not want anyone to be   
   >>>> defending, supporting, and further enabling the trolls -- which is what   
   >>>> I had unwittingly done.   
   >>>   
   >>> Of course a team of trolls, like he successfully aseembled and you   
   >>> copied with your Team Monkey, don't want rival teams. Their preferred   
   >>> M.O. is to attack one person at a time.   
   >>   
   >> There were no such "Teams," George.   
   >>   
   >> What you mistakenly call "Team Monkey" came about primarily as the   
   >> result of three separated, but interrelated, events that occurred at   
   >> about the same time:   
   >>   
   >> 1) Will conned Jim out of $50, effectively polarizing the group, 2) I   
   >> began to see the real Will come forward -- both through his various   
   >> autobiographical posts (primarily on your Wiki) and through his   
   >> interactions with NancyGene, ME, Usenet Editor, and others, and 3)   
   >> Will's recruitment of various friends (either from his home town or from   
   >> the Dylan group) as backup trolls.   
   >>   
   >> When I'd asked Will's dominate sock (Stinky George) to cut back on his   
   >> posts (basically just slurp-swapping with Will), both he and Will   
   >> responded by doubling their efforts.   
   >>   
   >> This only served to make everyone sick of their shenanigans, and more   
   >> and more members took to complaining about them as well.  When Will and   
   >> his sock attacked them, it quickly became a matter of Will and his socks   
   >> vs practically everyone else.   
   >>   
   >> But the everyone else was never a team.  We were just a bunch of   
   >> individuals who wanted Will to STFU and die (preferably of cancer or   
   >> something equally slow and painful).  That doesn't mean we were ever a   
   >> "Team."  We were just the latest generation of "regulars" that the   
   >> Donkey had decided to drive away.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>> Independent thinker   
   >>>>> wouls sooner or later disagree with him and challenge his opinions, with   
   >>>>> the result that the fighting would move into his team, and it would   
   >>>>> cease to act as a team.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Again, PJR never had a "team."  He considered Gwyneth and Horatio to be   
   >>>> "regulars," but they were obviously independent thinkers, and largely   
   >>>> ignored the trolls (Team Dunce).   
   >>>>   
   >>>> PJR lumped me in with "Team Dunce" because I was openly trolling him and   
   >>>> his friends from alt.kooks.  (Again, I had swallowed your story that   
   >>>> alt.kooks were a group of Usenet "thugs" who bullied and harassed Usenet   
   >>>> posters for fun.  You'd actually claimed that they did it to blackmail   
   >>>> them, but even I was never *that* gullible.)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> As to "playing the snob," I fully believe that PJR is a literary snob   
   >>>> who peppers his verses with snippets of Greek and Latin, and continually   
   >>>> alludes to classical music.  Not that I have any problem with such   
   >>>> snobbery.  Poetry is no longer a popular artform, but one that plays to   
   >>>> intellectuals and academics -- such "elitist" allusions are merely a   
   >>>> form of catering to one's audience.   
   >>>   
   >>> Good; I'm glad that our conclusions agree about something. The only   
   >>> disagreement I have is with your last line. Sych elitist behavior is   
   >>> primarly a way to try to convince your antagonist of your superiority to   
   >>> him - the effect on the audience is secondary.   
   >>   
   >> Love him or hate him, one has to admit that PJR is both well educated   
   >> and intelligent.  An intelligent person knows they are not going to   
   >> think that they can convince anyone not suffering from low self-esteem   
   >> of their superiority to them.   
   >>   
   >> Nor is PJR peppering his poetry with such allusions as a calculated   
   >> attempt to make his readers feel like morons.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>> It's the same reason that, for all his trying, Corey never made it onto   
   >>>>> Team Mokey, either.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Were there such a thing as "Team Monkey".   
   >>>   
   >>> As I said, it's as real (and as imaginary) as "Team Donkey"). Team   
   >>> Monkey was you, Jim, and NG - you formed it in in 2017 to attack Stephan   
   >>> (whom NG was trolling) and Will (whom Jim was by then trolling). I see   
   >>> that I'll have to write about it more. But there's no reason to bury it   
   >>> down here in a thread no one's likely to see; I'll have to put it on a   
   >>> stand-alone thread, just like your misrepresenttions of /April/   
   >>> magazine.   
   >>   
   >> Team Donkey/Team Dunce has always existed because its members have   
   >> always believed that they are being persecuted by "jealous, malicious   
   >> trolls."   
   >   
   > Well, the malicious trolls are a given on Usenet.   
   >   
   > You're living proof of that, Michael Pendragon.   
      
   I was never malicious, Donkey.   
      
   I trolled PJR when I thought he was the group troll.  I did so because I   
   wanted to establish a peaceful environment here so that other poets   
   would want to join.   
      
   I was unable to do so because you continually allowed PJR and his   
   friends to push your buttons, sending you into kook fits.   
      
   To counter this, I appealed to your ego.  I told you that you were the   
   heart and soul of AAPC, but also its biggest liability.  I asked you to   
   skip and ignore the troll posts.   
      
   You refused, claiming that you needed to "set the record straight for   
   posterity."   
      
   I then offered to take on the roll of your attack dog.  I would attack   
   PJR and his friends whenever they appeared, and I would defend your   
   reputation against all of their attacks.   
      
   It took some doing, but after a year and some change, we had achieved   
   the peaceful atmosphere that I'd desired.   
      
   Then, you started to show your true nature.  Lacking any "enemies" to   
   stir up shit with, you started attacking Corey.   
      
   This was followed by the appearance of several new trolls: including ME,   
   Brooke, and Usenet Editor -- all of whom appeared to have it in for you.   
    Initially, I resumed my self-appointed role of attack dog, and attacked   
   them/defended you.   
      
   I did this to re-establish the peaceful environment that I'd fought PJR   
   and friends for over a year to achieve.  Since you were no longer   
   skipping and ignoring them, I decided to see if you could control   
   yourself (after all, they didn't have knowledge of what buttons they   
   needed to press to set you off).   
      
   It soon became apparent that they were familiar with you from other   
   groups, wherein you'd cause a lot of trouble and driven off most of the   
   members.  This seemed like a fight that I had no business butting into,   
   as it stemmed from a series of events I wasn't privvy to.  I went from   
   playing the attack dog to monitoring your engagements with them.   
      
   Feeling out-numbered, you brought Pickles, Rachel, and Stinky G. into   
   the group.  Unfortunately for you, Pickles unintentionally brought   
   NancyGene who evened things out, making it 4 against 4.   
      
   Several of the new trolls took to using the names of your dead wife and   
      
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