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>>>> assign a childish name to him and claim he
>>>> can't write."
>>>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/EA_g
O9_BDk/m/DWT2Fq0TBwAJ?hl=en
>>>>
>>>>>> How do the possibilities justify our lives if they are decreased to
>>>>>> irrelevancy by years?
>>>>>
>>>>> GD: As I already explained: they're restored in the next generation.
>>>>>
>>>>> MMP: And as I've already explained, the next generation's possibilities
>>>>> are as limited as those of their forebears. Since time and circumstance
>>>>> will *always* conspire to decrease their possibilities by the time they
>>>>> reach adulthood, the seemingly unlimited possibilities at birth are
>>>>> necessarily an illusion.
>>>>
>>>> Nonsense; people can and do realize possibilities in their lives,
>>>> including those their ancestors never did. No one can do everything, of
>>>> course, but plenty of people have done enough to justify their existence
>>>> {many of whose ancestors did nothing to justify theirs, beyond - wait
>>>> for it - having families).
>>>>
>>>>>> Roughly speaking (i.e., ignoring the incoherent pseudo-sentences),
>>>>>
>>>>> GD: I do hope we've spent enough time on Edward's pseudo-sentences.
>>>>>
>>>>> MMP: LOL! If Mr. Dance actually meant what he said, he wouldn't have
>>>>> reopened a two-year old thread in order to bitch about Mr. Rochester's
>>>>> "edits" to his poem a second time.
>>>>
>>>> LOL right back. I've already explained why I commented on the thread
>>>> Will reopened. But I'm serious; we've advanced the debate. MMP has not
>>>> disputed that all "illiteracy" he discovered was caused by Mr. Chimp,
>>>> but he's sticking to his story that the poem is still "illiterate"
>>>> anway, as per his editorial philosophy: "When [someone] is seen as an
>>>> adversary, you assign a childish name to him and claim he can't write."
>>>>
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> poem is saying that we are all born with unlimited potential, but that
>>>>>> the years conspire (with circumstance) to undercut our ability to
>>>>>> achieve it.
>>>>
>>>> What is "it"? No one realizes "unlimited" possibilites, but plenty of
>>>> people realize some, including ones their parents failed to realize.
>>>>
>>>>>> As compensation for our wasted lives, we can always take
>>>>>> solace in our families (ignoring the fact that our children's potential
>>>>>> will be as unrealized as our own.
>>>>>
>>>>> GD: Nothing in the poem about "compensation" - the word I used was
>>>>> "justification". A person who has children has not completely wasted his
>>>>> or her own life, no matter how much he or she hasn't done.
>>>>
>>>>> MMP: Sentimental hogwash.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing sentimental about it. You or I have no idea what those children,
>>>> or their children, or their children will do. That gives one a reason to
>>>> value other people, to judge them to be at least worth not harming - but
>>>> it's a reason based purely on self-interest, not sentiment.
>>>>
>>>>> I point to the example of "Joey"
>>>> - and I'll snip it, because it looks like another attempt to flame Will
>>>> and/or to change the subject. Instead, I'll give an example of my own.
>>>>
>>>> One justifies one's life by adding value to the world.
>>>> Did Edgar Allan Poe add value to the world? I'd say yes, by his writing.
>>>> Did John M. Poe add value to the world? I'm not aware of anything he
>>>> did, but I'd say yes for him as well, because he was EAP's
>>>> great-grandfather - without him, there'd have been no EAP.
>>>>
>>>>>> That's a good (if downbeat) topic for a poem. Unfortunately, your
>>>>>> attempt to force it into triolet form at the sake of clarity undermines
>>>>>> any possibilities ;-) it might have had.
>>>>>
>>>>> GD: It's sad that Michael's opinion of the poem (which, as noted, he
>>>>> previously published in his "literary journal") has fallen so much since
>>>>> he put me on his enemy's list. I'm sure that was just a coincidence,
>>>>> though.
>>>>
>>>>> MMP: Again, Mr. Dance is confusing the purpose of The Sunday Sampler,
>>>>> and A Year of Sundays which is its current incarnation.
>>>>
>>>>> A Year of Sundays was created to provide a showcase for the best poetry
>>>>> of each of AAPC's members. My opinion regarding Mr. Dance's poem has not
>>>>> changed: it is without doubt one of Mr. Dance's better works.
>>>>
>>>> Really? MMP claimed just days ago (in the post I'm replying to) that the
>>>> poem was "illiterate". Now he's saying that he thought it was
>>>> "illiterate" when he published it in AYOS? Why would he publish an
>>>> "illiterate" poem? And why, FTM, what is holding him back from showing
>>>> why he allegedly thought it was illiterate?
>>>>
>>>> (Those are rhetorical questions, of course. I think MMP is bullshitting,
>>>> and that his stated opinions did change, when he switched me from
>>>> potential ally to open adversary. But he is free to prove me wrong by
>>>> supplying credible answers.)
>>>>
>>>>> Nor is Mr. Dance on my imaginary "enemies list."
>>>>
>>>> There is no need to even look for a quote. There is no other reason why
>>>> MMP jumped into this discussion, two years ago or now, other than to
>>>> protect Mr. Chimpfrom me? Or why his Mr. Chimp even started it? One
>>>> that's better than this Team Monkey vs. Team Donkey thing you now claim
>>>> to have no memory of?
>>>>
>>>>> *****Speaking of A Year of Sundays... I'm currently compiling our 2024
>>>>> print volume, which features the work of such (usenet) AAPC favorites as
>>>>> J.D. Senetto, NancyGene, Ash Wurthing, Kevin Fries, Bob Burrows,
>>>>> Hieronymous Corey, Karen Tellefsen, Richard Oakley, Wenceslas Kabeba,
>>>>> and my oh-so-humble self; along with FB AAPC favorites, Louise Charlton
>>>>> Webster, Scott Thomas, Bruce Boston, Robert Payne Cabeen, Paul Cordeiro,
>>>>> ruth housman, Trinity-memyandi Venter, Jefferson Carter, Joseph Danoski,
>>>>> Stephen Brooke, & Devin Anderson.*****
>>>>
>>>> Congratulations; that's at least 19 people who'll buy a copy. Make that
>>>> 20; I'll probably get one to see what Bruce Boston wrote.
>>>>>
>>>>> But I digress
>>>>>
>>>>> (backthread snipped)
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1) There is nothing particularly difficult about writing a poem in any
>>>>>> given form. One doesn't even have to memorize the structure of a
>>>>>> triolet. All one has to do is use a triolet for a model and copy the
>>>>>> format.
>>>>>
>>>>> GD: It certainly seems to be too hard for some people.
>>>>>
>>>>> MMP: What a childish and petty thing to say!
>>>>
>>>> MMP and his Mr. Chimp may believe they can write really wonderful
>>>> triolets if they felt like it. There is absolutely no reason for me to
>>>> humor them, of course.
>>>>
>>>>>> 2) As previously noted, I don't like writing in pre-fabricated forms.
>>>>>
>>>>> See above.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If I write a sonnet, it's because my Muse dictated a 14-line poem to me.
>>>>>> Poets who write from inspiration rather than formula don't limit
>>>>>> themselves to someone else's rules.
>>>>>
>>>>> GD: The "Muse" is a charming idea, which I've heard of; but I don't
>>>>> remember ever seeing Her invoked to evade responsibility for one's
>>>>> writing until
>>>>> now.
>>>>>
>>>>> MMP: Why do you lie so much, Mr. Dance?
>>>>>
>>>>> There is not even a hint of evading poetic responsibility in my
>>>>> statement.
>>>>
>>>> It's clear here that MMP is saying no one can blame him or Mr. Chimp for
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