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   >> Milton's "Paradise Lost," whose dying words (actually, word) dismiss   
   >> religion and morality as "Bosh."   
   >> Manfred is the ultimate Byronic hero,   
   >> who refuses to accept Divine judgment at the end of his life, declaring   
   >> that his deeds were his own.   
   >> And Arthur Parker was a Depression Era   
   >> sheet music salesman who defiantly clung to his belief that life must be   
   >> like it is in the songs -- even when facing the gallows for a crime he   
   >> didn't commit.   
   >   
   > So you identify with characters who (1) are financially unstable, (2 and   
   > 3) reject religion (and ethics), and (4) have a delusional view of the   
   > world. That's illuminating, but it doesn't answer the question we were   
   > debating.   
   >   
   >> In short, I'm an Epicurean-Pantheist-Luciferic-Byronic Romantic who   
   >> always seeks to find the ideal in a less than perfect world.   
   >>   
   >> As to my alleged "lying."   
   >   
   >> This is another example of George's "IKYABWAI" ethical system at work.   
   >   
   >> "Why do you lie so much, Dunce?" is a catchphrase question that PJR   
   >> would often put to George.   
   >   
   > So you're copying "PJR" again (which is probably one reason Will came up   
   > with the theory that you're mostly a "second-hander" like Keating.   
      
   It is definitely Pendragon's pattern.   
      
   >> Why I revived it in PJR's absence, George   
   >> immediately began tit-for-tatting it back to me.   
   >   
   > No, Lying Michael; I don't use that phrase. Whenever I catch you in a   
   > lie I simply note it by calling you Lying Michael, and move on.   
   >   
   >> I don't lie in Usenet groups (well, maybe a little one now and then for   
   >> humor's sake -- told with a wink to those perceptive enough to pick up   
   >> on it) -- it's too easy to get caught.  Conversations here are archived,   
   >> and anything one says can and will be used against them at a future   
   >> date.   
   >   
   > As I've explained to you many a time; nor is it a good yet here you are,   
   > trying it yet again.   
   > The question, as Will asked, is why you do it.   
   >   
   >> I also find George's description of how abused children are prone to   
   >> becoming lying adults telling -- as George also had an abusive parent   
   >> (actually both of George's parents were abusive).   
   >   
   > No, Lying Michael, that is not what I said (which is probably why you   
   > tried snipping it.) I said it's reasonable to think that all children   
   > try lying to escape punishment at some time. Whether they continue it,   
   > as children and later on as adults, is contingent on how well it worked   
   > for them.   
   >   
   >> It seems that George   
   >> has finally answered PJR's ongoing question of "Why do you lie so much,   
   >> Dunce."   
   >   
   > I've answered that question many a time, usually with "Why do you   
   > project so much, Piggy?" - the same phrase I use on you when   
   > you copy it. Of course, with him (and with you) it's as much conscious   
   > preemption as much as unconscious projection, but   
   > there was no point trying to explain all that to him.   
      
   Again, you nailed it.   
      
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