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   George J. Dance to HarryLime   
   Re: The Psycho-epistemolgy of MMP (2/2)   
   03 Feb 25 09:59:07   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   search on the group for "Pedodragon lie."   
      
   > One only has to look at this particular exchange to see that you are   
   > simply repeating back what I said to you, and redirecting it back at me   
   > (IKYABWAI).   
      
   > As previously noted, you repeatedly show yourself to be incapable of   
   > expressing a single original thought.   
   >   
   >>> I also find George's description of how abused children are prone to   
   >>> becoming lying adults telling -- as George also had an abusive parent   
   >>> (actually both of George's parents were abusive).   
   >>   
   >> No, Lying Michael, that is not what I said (which is probably why you   
   >> tried snipping it.) I said it's reasonable to think that all children   
   >> try lying to escape punishment at some time. Whether they continue it,   
   >> as children and later on as adults, is contingent on how well it worked   
   >> for them.   
   >   
   > Why do you lie so much, Dunce?   
   >   
   > Don't you realize that I can easily reference the statements you've made   
   > in *this* thread?   
   >   
   > Here is what you said, and I quote:   
   >   
   > "Lying is one tactic children usually try at some point to escape   
   > punishment, and an abused child has all the more reason to keep at it ad   
   > learn how to do it successfully. Since MMP comes across as clever (at   
   > least 120 IQ), it is also fair to think that he was able to learn to lie   
   > successfully. So it is fair to conclude that he did learn to lie   
   > successfully, and escape punishment, more than once."   
      
   Exactly. "Lying is one tactic children usually try at some point to   
   escape punishment" (not just abused children, but all children) -- and   
   whether they learn to be liars depends on how successful their attempts   
   at lying as chilsewn were.   
      
   >>> It seems that George   
   >>> has finally answered PJR's ongoing question of "Why do you lie so much,   
   >>> Dunce."   
   >>   
   >> I've answered that question many a time, usually with "Why do you   
   >> project so much, Piggy?" - the same phrase I use on you when   
   >> you copy it. Of course, with him (and with you) it's as much conscious   
   >> preemption as unconscious projection, but   
   >> there was no point trying to explain all that to him.   
   >   
   > You are wrong, George.  It's merely the recognition of something that is   
   > obvious to everyone here   
      
   If you still had "everyone" (Team Monkey and your assorted Bandar-Log)   
   here in this group, they would be quoting and sharing your post back and   
   forth, and that would be all people would be able to read. However, as   
   you have already noted, "everyone" is not "here" - they have all gone   
   away to your facebook group, leaving just you, me, and my colleague.   
      
   > -- that you are a pathological liar.  In one   
   > post in this thread, you claimed that abused children were prone to   
   > becoming liars in adult life.  When I referred to your statement, you   
   > denied it, claiming that you'd only said that all children lied at one   
   > time or another.  I only had to return to the beginning of this thread   
   > to pull your original statement and post it here for all to see.   
      
   That is the post we are now discussing. However, However, Lying Michael,   
   the statement you found and put back in the thread (thank you for doing   
   that) says exactly what I claimed it does; while your paraphrase was   
   shown to be another lie and misrepresentation.   
      
   > You lie.   
   > Not once.  Not twice.  But over and over again.   
   >   
   > The sad part is that I don't think you're even aware that you are doing   
   > it.  Lying has become such an ingrained part of your personality   
   > (including lying to yourself), that you subconsciously falsify your   
   > perception of yourself, and others, on a continuous basis.   
      
   Now, all that sounds like things I have said about you. But rather than   
   slip into the preemption game by caling it IKYABWAI, I think it would be   
   more productive to simply note that you're engaging in transference   
   (trying to analyze your analyst) and move on.   
      
   >   
   > Take your comments on "My Father's House"   
   snip   
      
   Oh, indeed I shall - but not in this thread. I understand how it feels   
   to be the involuntary subject of analysis, so I can understand why you'd   
   want to change the subject and try to analyze your analysts.   
   Nevertheless, that is an unproductive path that will not help either of   
   us.   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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