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   > When I asked for a limit of 25 posts per day, the Donkey immediately   
   > doubled his number of daily posts in response.)  But despite the   
   > Donkey's increasing shenanigans (including haven successfully shut down   
   > "The Sunday Sampler"/driven Jim away from the group several times, I   
   > maintained my neutrality.   
   >   
   > I *only* became the Donkey's (and, consequently, your) enemy in 2017 --   
   > after I had left AAPC (temporarily, as I had just bought a house and was   
   > in the process of settling in).  Jim had also left, and you had taken   
   > over the "Sampler" -- and turned it into a showcase for the worst poets   
   > in the group: The Donkey, his Stink, and Plagiarist Pickles.  In one of   
   > his rants (that you reposted as a poem), Pickles called me a   
   > "Paedophile."  The Donkey supported him by calling his poem "Well said"   
   > (or something to that effect).  I warned you both that by supporting   
   > Pickles personal attack against me you were adopting a hostile stance,   
   > and warned you that if it happened again, we would be at war.   
   >   
   > Suffice to say, you reprinted his "Paedophile" poem the following week,   
   > and your Donkey again commented that it was "Well put" (or something to   
   > that effect).   
   >   
   > It was you and your Donkey who started this war with me, George.   
   >   
   > It has never been about an "Teams."  Nor has it ever been about my   
   > forming, or joining, any enemies of yours of Donkey's.   
   >   
   > Pick called me a "paedophile," you "published" it (twice), and your   
   > Donkey praised it as "Well put" (twice).   
   >   
   > I don't take personal attacks of that sort lightly, as you've since come   
   > to learn (that is, as you would have since come to learn were you   
   > possessed of that capability).   
   >   
   > That's it.   
   >   
   > No Team.  No conspiracy.  No ulterior motive.   
   >   
   > You enabled a nutjob who was calling me a "paedophile" and ignored my   
   > demands that you stop.   
   >   
   >   
   >> The first thing you did was invite NG into Jim's Sunday Sampler,   
   >> where   
   >> they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan. The   
   >> result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in   
   >> JIm   
   >> flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned   
   >> against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor STephan realized that you were   
   >> manipulating them for that outcome.   
   >   
   > I realized from the content of NancyGene's posts that they were   
   > intelligent, well-educated, and better written than anyone here.   
   > Naturally, I asked them to start contributing to the "Sampler."  And I   
   > was right in doing so.   
   >   
   > Here are the opening lines of NancyGene's latest poem:   
   >   
   > "Yesterdays stack up like piles of read newspapers,   
   > Cluttering my mind and obstructing my day."   
   >   
   > That's poetry of the highest quality.   
   >   
   > You can read it, and other recent poems by them in the online version of   
   > AYoS:   
   >   
   > https://mpsilvertone.wixsite.com/website   
   >   
   > You aren't blocked from that.   
   >   
   > As to my having manipulated Pickles and Jim, I can only as WTF are you   
   > yammering about?   
   >   
   > "Manipulated" them to do... what?  To fight one another?  To what end?   
   >   
   > I'm well aware that you've convinced yourself that I had some secret (or   
   > not so secret) plans of taking over AAPC, but encouraging in-fighting   
   > certainly wouldn't have been the way to do so.   
   >   
   >   
   >> After Jim and Stephan became engaged in a prolonged flamewar, both on   
   >> and   
   >> off the Sampler, the second thing you did was start flooding the group   
   >> with   
   >> a nasty, libellous document that NG had written.   
   >   
   > I'm not sure which one you're referring to, George.  NancyGene *quoted*   
   > Pickles posts from other groups regarding the topics of "legal age" and   
   > "incest" (and why he believed that parent-child sex was the natural way   
   > to go)... but that wasn't anything they had written.  Those were direct   
   > quotes from Pickles -- who admitted to, and defended, them.   
   >   
   >> The third thing you did, a month or so of that, when Jim and Stephan   
   >> were thoroughly   
   >> engaged with each other, you went deep diving outside the group for   
   >> information on NAMBLA, and found a quotation from Allan Ginsberg   
   >> ("I have never had sex with anyone under 15" or WTTE), which you began   
   >> posting here, calling Ginsberg a "pedophile" (or predator); and then   
   >> when others objected to that (like Stephan, Will, or myself), you began   
   >> calling those people "pedophiles" as well.   
   >   
   > Ginsberg was known to have been a pedophile.  He joined NAMBLA.  He   
   > admitted to finding 13-year old boys sexually desirable, had teenaged   
   > male sexual partners when he was in his 60s, etc.   
   >   
   > By his own admission, Pickles went to NAMBLA meetings, NAMBLA   
   > conventions, and invited NAMBLA members to dinner.  He also openly   
   > stated his belief that adult-child sex and/or incest was not only   
   > natural and desirable, but that it was practiced in the majority of   
   > cultures -- those that weren't "Nazrim(sp?) dupes," that is.   
   >   
   > He further stated that when he was a high school senior, he deflowered a   
   > South American Orthodox Jewish girl (aged 14), and that while he was on   
   > his (make-believe) exile in Israel, he married and impregnated another   
   > 14-year old Jewish girl.   
   >   
   > I called Pickles a pedophile because Pickles was a pedophile.  Plain and   
   > simple.   
   >   
   >   
   >>> Most likely Jim had condemned Ginsberg as   
   >>> a child molester, and Pickles (who worshipped Ginsberg) spazzed.   
   >>   
   >> That is a fair summary of what I just said,   
   >   
   > Except that I'm the one who said it, and you're the one who is   
   > responding to it.   
   >   
   >> though you left out that you   
   >> (and Jim)   
   >> were calling Stephan a child molester as well. No one appreciates being   
   >> called names like that by cowardly trolls on the internet.   
   >   
   > That's too funny, George.   
   >   
   > The *whole* reason that you and I are enemies (at least from my side of   
   > the battlefield) is because you "published" Pickles "poem" in which he   
   > accused me of being a "paedophile"... twice.   
   >   
   > And, I repeat (see immediately above), I called Pickles a pedophile   
   > because that's what he was.  There were no "ifs," "ands" or "buts" about   
   > it.  He admitted having ties to NAMBLA, and openly stated his beliefs   
   > that adult-child sex, and incest, were natural and should both be   
   > legalized.   
   >   
   >>> Their   
   >>> fight had been going for what had become a fairly large-sized thread   
   >>> when I decided to see what all the bruhaha was about.   
   >>   
   >>> (As I said, I'd   
   >>> been ignoring Pickles' threads, and having no interest in Ginsberg, had   
   >>> been avoiding this thread as well.)   
   >>>   
   >>> When I read Jim's accusations, I google Ginsberg and discovered that   
   >>> he'd openly discussed having had sex with minors, hinted (as strongly as   
   >>> possible, considering that statutory rape is a criminal offense) at   
   >>> having had sex with boys aged 14 or under (he said that was the age when   
   >>> boys were most desirable), was a member of NAMBLA and had been serving   
   >>> as that organization's poster boy, publicly championing them and their   
   >>> agenda (to legalize sex between adults and children).   
   >>   
   >> Indeed, Ginsberg and Camille Paglia both "championed" NAMBLA's right to   
   >> free speech on that contentious subject, and in fact led their   
   >> counter-parade when they were kicked out of NY's Pride parade.   
   >>   
   >>> I was appalled that a public figure was able to be a member of NAMBLA,   
   >>> and to speak about having had sex with minors, and was somehow not only   
   >>> a free man, but was still considered a renowned poet and even a cultural   
      
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