[continued from previous message]   
      
   >> In an attempt to defend Ginsberg, Pickles told us that he had been to   
   >> NAMBLA meetings, listened to speakers at NAMBLA conventions, and taken   
   >> NAMBLA members out to dinner on several occasions, and could attest that   
   >> they were all good people.   
   >   
   > Stephan said a lot of things, on memory and without check, some of which   
   > were demonstrably untrue. (For example, his alleged dinners with NAMBLA   
   > were said to take place during Dylan's Rolling Thunder tour, which was   
   > years before NAMBLA was even founded.) there was no reason to trust   
   > his memory of any ot that.   
   >   
   >> NancyGene quoted posts Pickles had made in another forum, wherein he'd   
   >> argued that "legal age" was a meaningless concept, that the majority of   
   >> civilizations and cultures had no such age, that incest was not only   
   >> common in other cultures, but was a desirable thing.   
   >   
   > Yes, through all this NG continued to troll Stephan, and posted a lot   
   > of scurrilous claims about what he'd said (real, misprepresented, or   
   > completely   
   > made up). I didn't bother to check them, but (having been trolled by NG   
   > myself) I would nt vouch for their accuracy.   
   >   
   > IIRC, Ginsberg said that "legal age" was an arbitrary concept, which of   
   > course it is (just look at the USA, where the age of consent is   
   > different from   
   > state to state). he did not say that there was no age of cnnsent in   
   > other   
   > states, just that it varies. (For example, in much of the the Moslem   
   > world,   
   > the age at which a girl can be married is 9.) As for incest, NG found   
   > and   
   > quoted a statement Stephan made ridiculing "rape" charge laid aginat  a   
   > mother   
   > who'd had sex with her 17-year-old son.   
   >   
   >> Pickles not only defended his stance in said quotes, but further   
   >> informed us that he'd had sex with 14-year old girls (impregnating one   
   >> of them), and told us that he felt it was perfectly fine to have sex   
   >> with a 13-year old...   
   >   
   > I remember him claiming to have had sex with a 14-year-old he had   
   > married,   
   > he could have mentioned a second one - I did warned you not to take   
   > his statements at face value). He did point out that such marriages were   
   > legal under traditional Jewish law (just as they are in traditional   
   > Musim lae).   
   > IOW, he made the mistake of trying to respond reasonably with people who   
   > were   
   > trolling him.   
   >   
   >> but that if you went for anyone younger, you were   
   >> risking getting hurt because children that young were unable to maintain   
   >> lasting romantic relationships.   
   >   
   > As I've told you, children who haven't reached puberty don't even have a   
   > sex drive. (You, quoting some psychologist, disagreed.) And even   
   > teenagers   
   > above the age of consent are usually unable to maintain lasting romantic   
   > relationships.   
   >   
   >> Nice guy, that Pickles.   
   >   
   >> Since you have always been jealous of Jim's popularity here,   
   >   
   > Now that is not true, Lying Michael. Jim and I had a great relationship   
   > before you three formed Team Monkey and began to troll and flood the   
   > group   
   > with attacks on both Stefan and Will.   
   >   
   >> and since   
   >> Pickles was a friend of your lifetime ally, Will Donkey,   
   >   
   > Now, that is absurd, Lying Michael. Will and I have never even met; and   
   > while I had as good a relationship with him on the group as I did with   
   > Jim, we were hardly conversing in those days.   
   >   
   >> you jumped into   
   >> the fray as well.   
   >   
   >> You not only supported both Ginsberg and Pickles   
   >   
   > I agreed with both of them (and SCOTUS and most legal scholars) that   
   > NAMBLA had a First Amendment right to talk about such things.   
   >   
   > , but   
   >> you mistakenly claimed that NAMBLA had done more to support LGBT rights   
   >> than any other organization.   
   >   
   > No, Lying Michael. I told you that I agreed that gay sex for anyone   
   > above the age of consent should be legal, pointed out that NAMBLA was   
   > the only   
   > group in Canada campaigning for that, and even called you a "homophobe"   
   > when   
   > you insisted that it should continue to be illegal.   
   >   
   >> You later retracted that claim, but the   
   >> damage to your reputation had already been done.   
   >   
   > No, Lying Michael. I still believe that gay sex between "children" above   
   > the   
   > age of consent should be legal, while you continue to lie and   
   > misrepresent   
   > that claim.   
   >   
   >> BTW: Who is MFH?  I'm having difficulty placing the initials.  Is it a   
   >> typo?   
   >   
   > MFH = "My Father's House". That's a poem of mine you may have read.   
      
   Again, Pendragon and Senetto seems to have a combination of hatred for   
   Stephan Pickering, the NAMBLA stuff plus a lot of Antisemitism.   
      
   And so it goes.   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)