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   "doubting" that Creeley wrote the poem, and ended by "assuming" that he   
   didn't write its opening line - which is logically no different from   
   claiming that he didn't write it.   
      
   >>> George Dance, if you are going to accuse us of plagiarizing a poem,   
   >>> posting one "line" from a poem that does not seem to have been published   
   >>> anywhere is not sufficient proof.   
   >>   
   >> Your failure to find the poem via a google search does not indicate that   
   >> it was not published. After all, Creeley is a published poet who wrote   
   >> the bulk of his poetry before the web existed.   
   >   
   > Which is precisely why we have both asked you to provide us with either   
   > a link to the poem, or with information regarding the book/journal in   
   > which it appeared.   
      
   So you want me to do your research again; but we both know how that will   
   turn out. If I gave you the name of the book, you'd "doubt" that the   
   poem was really in it, and demand that I prove that. if I then gave you   
   the table of contents, showing the poem title, you'd "doubt" that it   
   contained the line and demand that I produce the entire poem. If I then   
   gave you the entire poem, you'd go back to "doubting" that Creeley wrote   
   it and "assuming" that I did (which, once again, come to the same   
   thing.) You're simply trolling again, this time with your most faithful   
   ally.   
      
   OTOH, if you're actually interested in reading Creeley's poem, not just   
   simply trolling for once, there's no reason you can't look for it   
   yourself. Get off your asses and do what we used to do before the   
   internet existed. NG claims to use a local library; let them start   
   there.   
      
   > Again, if you are, in fact, quoting from a real poem, you must have had   
   > a copy of that poem in front of you.   
   >   
   >>> Perhaps you could supply the name of   
   >>> the book in which the poem was published?   
   >>   
   >> Yes, in fact I could.   
   >>   
   >>> Or perhaps you could give us   
   >>> the first four lines of the poem (which would not violate copyright   
   >>> laws) so that we could compare our poem with that of Mr. Creeley.  Or   
   >>> just give us the url where you found the poem.   
   >>   
   >> Perhaps I could do that, too; but why would I give you four lines of his   
   >> poem when y'all have shared only two lines of your own?   
   >   
   > Since you have located NancyGene's poem in a google search, you should   
   > be able to click on the links.   
      
   I see you're back to playing the peabrain, HarryLiar. Of course I can   
   click on the link to your facebook page, but I can't read NastyGoon's   
   poem there because you blocked me from reading the poems there.   
      
   > If you have been blocked from them,   
   > which well may be the case, you should be able to read her poem in full   
   > when it appears in our online magazine next month.   
      
   > Since her poem is scheduled for publication, you cannot expect her to   
   > post it in this group.   
      
   Frankly, I have no interest at all in reading their poetry. They have   
   posted enough of it in this group to last for a month.   
      
   >>> George Dance, you are not the only person who knows the names of poets.   
   >>> We understand that you are jealous and perhaps even afraid of us, and   
   >>> what you write reflects that insecurity.   
   >>   
   >> NastyGoon, a belief that other people are jealous and afraid of you   
   >> sounds like a sign you may be suffering from narcissistic personality   
   >> disorder. You should really seek professional help for that.   
   >   
   > Unless, of course, she's right.  I have already stated that you're   
   > jealous of her.   
      
   Yes, of course you have; that's probably where they got the idea in the   
   first place. Notice I asked her to talk to a "professional" which   
   excludes you.   
      
   > Am I suffering from NPD by proxy?   
      
   No, I'd say you're suffering from straight NPD; you have the same   
   irrational belief that those who dislike you are jealous of you.   
      
   Given your M.O. of slurping your allies and attacking your supposed   
   enemies, it's expected that you'd convince them to believe the same   
   thing. I bet even your Chimp now believes that I'm jealous of him, too.   
      
   > As to your being   
   > afraid of her superior intellect... if you aren't, you certainly should   
   > be.   
      
   There's nothing wrong with NG's intellect; unlike your Chimp, e.g., they   
   were capable of learning how rhyme worked. Who knows, they may even   
   understand meter by now. Their major problem has always been their   
   stupidity (willful ignorance); which is something you're enabling with   
   your constant slurpage of them.   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)