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   > His self-conversion would not have been accepted by anyone outside of   
   > the Sun Myung Moon, Jim Jones, Charles Manson set.   
      
   Again, Scheimmer said it looks legitimate.   
      
   >>>>>> I attempted to engage Pickering in several conversations regarding his   
   >>>>>> posts, but he either ignored them, or spat back some angry, and   
   >>>>>> impolite, remarks.   
      
      
   You two were in the middle of a flame war, what did you expect?   
      
   >>>>> Similarly anyone who engages in deep scholarship on a subject cannot be   
   >>>>> expected to appreciate having a total ignoramus on the subject trying to   
   >>>>> explain it to him. So while I don't condone his impoliteness, I can   
   >>>>> fully understand it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You nailed it.   
   >>>   
   >>> There is a world of difference between scholarship, and monomaniacal   
   >>> obsession.   
   >>   
   >> Since you're not stranger to obsession I suppose you're speaking from   
   >> personal experience, Pendragon.   
   >   
   > Even I've never carried my pet obsessions even 1/4 so far.   
      
   That would be for a qualified observer to decide.   
      
   >>>>>> Since I didn't relish the idea of getting into a   
   >>>>>> flamewar with another nutjob   
      
   You and Senetto seemed to think it wouldn't take much to run Stephan   
   Pickering off, though, so you went for it.   
      
   (he reminded me of the 50s group's nutter,   
   >>>>>> "PhillyGuy"),   
   I'm not familiar with him.   
      
   I do know that everyone on the 1950s music newsgroup seems to hate you.   
      
   Why is that, Pendragon/Scarlotti?   
      
   > I took to ignoring his posts.  Since he only posted once   
   >>>>>> or twice a week, ignoring him required little to no effort.   
   >>   
   >> Is this why you left the 1950s newsgroup?   
   >   
   > I left it because I had gotten all I could from it.   
      
      
   And all the regulars there hate you.   
      
   😏   
      
      
   > I had learned more than enough historical information to write my music   
   > book, and wanted to get started on it.   
      
   Bruce and Diane still go ballistic at the mention of your name.   
      
   What really happened on the 1950s music newsgroup?   
      
   > Usenet groups are a huge time-suck.  Just look at the number of posts   
   > we're wasting our time on here.  This is why I'll be leaving again soon.   
      
   Good riddance, of course.   
      
   >>>>> You handled that well, IMO. "Skip and ignore" the posts and posters   
   >>>>> you don't like; as long as they stay out of your face, everyone wins.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Definitely a good policy.   
   >>>   
   >>> Unfortunately, skip and ignore doesn't work   
   >>   
   >> It works if you stick with it   
   >   
   > No,   
      
      
   Yes it does.   
      
   > it doesn't.   
      
   I don't agree.   
      
   > I skipped and ignored this > group entirely for   
   > over a year, and came back to find it as cluttered with your   
      
   Oh, I'll be posting here for as long as I'm able.   
      
   If you don't like that then perhaps you're better off moving along.   
      
   >>>>>> At some point Jim and Pickering got into a flamewar regarding Ginsberg.   
      
   Yes, Senetto almost seems to have a grudge against Allen Ginsberg.   
      
   Jealousy?   
      
   >>>>>> don't recall who started it.   
   >>   
   >> Senetto at that point was attacking everything Pickering was posting.   
   >   
   > And Pickles was attacking everything Jim posted.   
      
   Yes it was an all out flame war by that point.   
      
   > Of course Pickles was defending a NAMBLA member who had sex underaged   
   > boys (Ginsberg)   
      
   Again, that's a lie and a misrepresentation.   
      
   Allen Ginsberg was never known to have sex with anyone younger than   
   18-19 and that was just one young guy who was in love with Allen   
   Ginsberg.   
      
   This was all posted and archived here a dozen times in 2017-18.   
      
      
      
   >>>> Jim Senetto's homophobia and Antisemitism was the cause, basically.   
   >>   
   >> Jim Senetto was constantly making anti gay remarks to Pickering, Zod,   
   >> even me.   
   >   
   > You really don't understand what words like anti-gay homophobic mean.   
   > Jim made gay jokes about you for the same reasons that I did: your own   
   > homophobia caused you to launch into a hissyfit on the topic.   
      
   No, I simply corrected the lies and misrepresentations and set the   
   record straight, and will continue to.   
      
   > Homophobia was your Michael Cooke of 2018   
      
   The name is Michael Cook, no e at the end.   
      
   >> He also joined in the jeering of 'fake Jew" against Stephan Pickering.   
      
   Autocorrect typo fixed.   
      
   Jeering not meeting.   
      
   > if someone is going to cry "Antisemite!" each time   
   > you say anything about him, it's certainly reasonable to point out that   
   > he isn't even Jewish.   
   >   
   > Again, Pickles claims of being Jewish were a joke.  He wanted to be like   
   > Bob Dylan, but he didn't want to take the time to study with a Rabbi, or   
   > to undergo a circumcision (who does?).  So he bought himself a yarmulke   
   > and proclaimed himself a Jew.   
      
   People do concert.   
      
   My late friend Dan Barfield converted to becoming a Jew when he married   
   his first wife Judy, at the request of her parents, for example.   
      
   >>>>> Well, allow me to refresh your memory. Jim and Stephan first got into   
   >>>>> flamewars after you formed Team Monkey with him and NastyGoon (NG), a   
   >>>>> Pickering   
   >>>>> troll.   
      
   George Dance nailed it ^^^   
      
   >> Nancy Gene obsessively stalked Stephan Pickering here from the Bob Dylan   
   >> newsgroup and began attacking Pickering here.   
   >   
   > No one has ever denied that.  NancyGene obviously didn't like the man.   
      
      
   Or that Nancy Gene stalked Stephan Pickering here to continue her troll   
   attacks.   
      
   >>>>> where   
   >>>>> they (NG's preferred pronoun) would write trollpoems about Stephan.   
   >>   
   >> That's really the only interest Nancy Gene had at the time, stalking and   
   >> attacking Stephan Pickering.   
   >   
   >   
   > That was almost 10 years ago   
      
   I'm fine with that.   
      
   Let's move on.   
      
   >>>>> result would be Stephan jumping into the Sampler, which would result in   
   >>>>> JIm   
   >>>>> flaming him and others (for example, Richard Oakley) also being turned   
   >>>>> against Jim. I doubt that either Jim nor Stephan realized that you were   
   >>>>> manipulating them for that outcome.   
   >>   
   >> Pendragon sure had the feeble minded Jim Senetto in his control.   
   >   
   > Jim isn't here   
      
   Good riddance.   
      
   >>>> Unfortunately, that's exactly what Pendragon's agenda turned out to be.   
   >>   
   >> By the time Google Groups went under last year that's all Pendragon wS   
   >> doing, posting his malicious lies and misrepresentations.   
   >   
   >   
   > No... when Google Groups went under, I was busy reestablishing AAPC   
      
   alt.arts.pietry.comments is a Usenet newsgroup, not a Facebook group.   
      
   HERE is where a.a.p.c. is and will remain.   
      
   >>> The proof of one's agenda is in what one d   
   >>   
   >> And you've shown yourself to be a sleazy malicious troll for almost a   
   >> decade now, Pendragon.   
   >   
   > No... created an online community   
      
   Good for you.   
      
   Go there.   
      
   😏   
      
   > I don't think that's anyone's idea of a "sleazy malicious troll."   
      
   We can show them the Usenet newsgroup archives.   
      
   So what really happened at the 1950s newsgroup for the other regulars to   
   drive you away so permanently?   
      
   > What have you done for AAPC?   
      
   Just reading and posting poetry, which is all that's needed or expected.   
      
   >>> Let us now turn to Matthew 7:16-20   
   >>> (King James Version):   
   >>>   
   >>> 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns,   
   >>> or figs of thistles?   
   >>>   
   >>> 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree   
   >>> bringeth forth evil fruit.   
   >>>   
   >>> 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree   
   >>> bring forth good fruit.   
   >>>   
   >>> 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast   
   >>> into the fire.   
   >>>   
   >>> 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Shall we compare fruits?   
   >>   
      
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