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   >> I've never been a fan of Michael Pendragon poetry, sorry.   
   >   
   > Thank God!   
      
      
   Agreed.   
      
   😏   
      
   >>> I am publishing an AAPC poetry journal featuring award-winning poets.   
   >>   
   >> Can you say vanity press?   
   >   
   > A vanity press charges a "reading" or "submission" fee.   
      
   Do you pay in contributors copies?   
      
      
   >>>>> After Jim and Stephan became engaged in a prolonged flamewar, both on   
   >>>>> and   
   >>>>> off the Sampler, the second thing you did was start flooding the group   
   >>>>> with   
   >>>>> a nasty, libellous document that NG had written.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> Oh yes, the last resort, flood the newsgroup with your lies and   
   >> misrepresentations.   
   >   
   > There was no such "libellous[sic]" document   
      
   George Dance saw it differently.   
      
   > "There is no 'fact' of 'statutory rape'. 'Morality' -- like   
   > 'gnosticism', 'god', haKodesh Barukh hu, 'mysticism' -- are NOT   
   > definable, and for you to keep transposing your stultifying   
   > proto-fascism onto others is not accepted by me."   
   >   
   > "The 'incest taboo' cannot be predicated on known biology, but is a   
   > human sociopolitical category."   
   >   
   > "Shalom & Erev tov, everyone...PaederastDeSock knows nothing of the   
   > mother of my 2 children now in Yisra'el. Neither does NaziQueene whose   
   > psychopathy is documented here. He is attempting to equate '14' with   
   > immaturity, or infancy. This is how he mangles reality. They were adults   
   > in the eyes of halakhah...which FakeJewMikey is decidedly not."   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >>>> Grim times for the poetry newsgroup indeed.   
   >>>   
   >>> Pick didn't belong here.   
   >>   
   >> There's no guidelines on who we "allow" to be here.   
   >>   
   >> Stephan Pickering knew poetry and made many good poetry posts.   
   >   
   >   
   > Wrong   
      
   I don't agree.   
      
   > The only poetry he posted here   
      
   Pretty good poetry, as I recall.   
      
   >>> The only poems he "wrote" were   
   >>   
   >> Not true, Stephan Pickering has written some interesting poems over the   
   >> years.   
   >   
   > Wrong.   
      
   I don't agree.   
      
   > A.A. Milne wrote some interesting tales about "The House a Pooh   
   > Corner" which Pickles plagiarized by sticking a "Kosher" in front of   
   > Piglet's name and claiming as his own on the grounds of "creative   
   > adaption."   
      
      
   That was an interesting work actually.   
      
   >>>>> The third thing you did, a month or so of that, when Jim and Stephan   
   >>>>> were thoroughly   
   >>>>> engaged with each other, you went deep diving outside the group for   
   >>>>> information on NAMBLA, and found a quotation from Allan Ginsberg   
   >>>>> ("I have never had sex with anyone under 15"   
      
   The youngest sex partner Allen Ginsberg is known to have was the 18-19   
   year old man   
      
   >> And later it turns out the youngest sex partner Allen Ginsberg is known   
   >> to have was an 18-19 year old man.   
   >   
   > 14.   
      
   No, he was 18 and then turned 19.   
      
   > It depends on the source.   
      
   There's an interview with the fellow, I don't remember his name right   
   now.   
      
   I have to walk my dog for a while.   
      
   (To be Continued)   
      
   >>>>> posting here, calling Ginsberg a "pedophile" (or predator);   
   >>   
   >> Which, from the evidence, wasn't true, as shown above.   
   >   
   >   
   >>  and then   
   >>>>> when others objected to that (like Stephan, Will, or myself), you began   
   >>>>> calling those people "pedophiles" as well.   
   >>   
   >> That's when the bullshit from Pendragon began to get heavy.   
   >   
   >>>>>> Most likely Jim had condemned Ginsberg as   
   >>>>>> a child molester   
   >>   
   >> Which wasn't actually true, by all evidence.   
   >   
   >   
   > Ginsberg was a supporter and member of the North American Man/Boy Love   
   > Association (NAMBLA), a pedophilia and pederasty advocacy organization   
   > in the United States that works to abolish age of consent laws and   
   > legalize sexual relations between adults and children.[124][citation   
   > needed] Saying that he joined the organization "in defense of free   
   > speech",[125] Ginsberg stated: "Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics,   
   > witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance ...   
   > I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too—everybody does, who has a   
   > little humanity".[126] In 1994, Ginsberg appeared in a documentary on   
   > NAMBLA called Chicken Hawk: Men Who Love Boys (playing on the gay male   
   > slang term 'chickenhawk'), in which he read a "graphic ode to   
   > youth".[124] He read his poem "Sweet Boy, Gimme Yr Ass" from the book   
   > Mind Breaths.[127]   
   >   
   > In her 2002 book Heartbreak, Andrea Dworkin claimed Ginsberg had   
   > ulterior motives for allying with NAMBLA:   
   > In 1982, newspapers reported in huge headlines that the Supreme Court   
   > had ruled child pornography illegal. I was thrilled. I knew Allen would   
   > not be. I did think he was a civil libertarian. But, in fact, he was a   
   > pedophile. He did not belong to the North American Man/Boy Love   
   > Association out of some mad, abstract conviction that its voice had to   
   > be heard. He meant it. I take this from what Allen said directly to me,   
   > not from some inference I made. He was exceptionally aggressive about   
   > his right to fuck children and his constant pursuit of underage   
   > boys.[128]   
   >   
   >   
   >> and Pickering (who worshipped Ginsberg) spazzed.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That is a fair summary of what I just said, though you left out that you   
   >>>>> (and Jim)   
   >>>>> were calling Stephan a child molester as well. No one appreciates being   
   >>>>> called names like that by cowardly trolls on the internet.   
   >>   
   >> Again, I remember that.   
   >>   
   >> At that point Pendragon and Senetto were trying any dirty trick to drive   
   >> Stephan Pickering away from this newsgroup.   
   >>   
   >> And so it goes.   
   >   
   > Pickles claimed to have deflowered two 14-year old girls.   
   >   
   > Whether he actually did so is unknown, as he has been unequivocally   
   > shown to be a pathological liar.   
   >   
   > Nevertheless, according to his own admission, he was a child molester   
   > and statutory rapist.   
   >   
   > --   
      
   (To be considered)   
      
   --- SoupGate-DOS v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)