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   >>>> There's no guidelines on who we "allow" to be here.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Stephan Pickering knew poetry and made many good poetry posts.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Wrong   
   >>   
   >> I don't agree.   
   >>   
   >>> The only poetry he posted here   
   >>   
   >> Pretty good poetry, as I recall.   
   >>   
   >>>>> The only poems he "wrote" were   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Not true, Stephan Pickering has written some interesting poems over the   
   >>>> years.   
   >>>   
   >>> Wrong.   
   >>   
   >> I don't agree.   
   >>   
   >>> A.A. Milne wrote some interesting tales about "The House a Pooh   
   >>> Corner" which Pickles plagiarized by sticking a "Kosher" in front of   
   >>> Piglet's name and claiming as his own on the grounds of "creative   
   >>> adaption."   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> That was an interesting work actually.   
   >   
   > The original?  Definitely.   
   >   
   > The Kosher Kopy?  Not at all.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> The third thing you did, a month or so of that, when Jim and Stephan   
   >>>>>>> were thoroughly   
   >>>>>>> engaged with each other, you went deep diving outside the group for   
   >>>>>>> information on NAMBLA, and found a quotation from Allan Ginsberg   
   >>>>>>> ("I have never had sex with anyone under 15"   
   >>   
   >> The youngest sex partner Allen Ginsberg is known to have was the 18-19   
   >> year old man   
   >   
   > 14 or 15 according to other sources.   
   >   
   >>>> And later it turns out the youngest sex partner Allen Ginsberg is known   
   >>>> to have was an 18-19 year old man.   
   >>>   
   >>> 14.   
   >>   
   >> No, he was 18 and then turned 19.   
   >>   
   >>> It depends on the source.   
   >>   
   >> There's an interview with the fellow, I don't remember his name right   
   >> now.   
   >>   
   >> I have to walk my dog for a while.   
   >>   
   >> (To be Continued)   
   >>   
   >>>>>>> posting here, calling Ginsberg a "pedophile" (or predator);   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Which, from the evidence, wasn't true, as shown above.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>>  and then   
   >>>>>>> when others objected to that (like Stephan, Will, or myself), you began   
   >>>>>>> calling those people "pedophiles" as well.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That's when the bullshit from Pendragon began to get heavy.   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>>> Most likely Jim had condemned Ginsberg as   
   >>>>>>>> a child molester   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Which wasn't actually true, by all evidence.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Ginsberg was a supporter and member of the North American Man/Boy Love   
   >>> Association (NAMBLA), a pedophilia and pederasty advocacy organization   
   >>> in the United States that works to abolish age of consent laws and   
   >>> legalize sexual relations between adults and children.[124][citation   
   >>> needed] Saying that he joined the organization "in defense of free   
   >>> speech",[125] Ginsberg stated: "Attacks on NAMBLA stink of politics,   
   >>> witchhunting for profit, humorlessness, vanity, anger and ignorance ...   
   >>> I'm a member of NAMBLA because I love boys too—everybody does, who has a   
   >>> little humanity".[126] In 1994, Ginsberg appeared in a documentary on   
   >>> NAMBLA called Chicken Hawk: Men Who Love Boys (playing on the gay male   
   >>> slang term 'chickenhawk'), in which he read a "graphic ode to   
   >>> youth".[124] He read his poem "Sweet Boy, Gimme Yr Ass" from the book   
   >>> Mind Breaths.[127]   
   >>>   
   >>> In her 2002 book Heartbreak, Andrea Dworkin claimed Ginsberg had   
   >>> ulterior motives for allying with NAMBLA:   
   >>> In 1982, newspapers reported in huge headlines that the Supreme Court   
   >>> had ruled child pornography illegal. I was thrilled. I knew Allen would   
   >>> not be. I did think he was a civil libertarian. But, in fact, he was a   
   >>> pedophile. He did not belong to the North American Man/Boy Love   
   >>> Association out of some mad, abstract conviction that its voice had to   
   >>> be heard. He meant it. I take this from what Allen said directly to me,   
   >>> not from some inference I made. He was exceptionally aggressive about   
   >>> his right to fuck children and his constant pursuit of underage   
   >>> boys.[128]   
      
   I remember reading Andrea Dwork a long time ago, at the time she was   
   dismissed as an Allen Ginsberg hater.   
      
   I'll have to go back a couple of decades to those old archived   
   discussions that included J.R. Sherman and Chuck Lysghat.   
      
   That would be around 2004-05.   
      
   >>>> and Pickering (who worshipped Ginsberg) spazzed.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> That is a fair summary of what I just said, though you left out that   
   you   
   >>>>>>> (and Jim)   
   >>>>>>> were calling Stephan a child molester as well. No one appreciates being   
   >>>>>>> called names like that by cowardly trolls on the internet.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Again, I remember that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> At that point Pendragon and Senetto were trying any dirty trick to drive   
   >>>> Stephan Pickering away from this newsgroup.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And so it goes.   
   >>>   
   >>> Pickles claimed to have deflowered two 14-year old girls.   
   >>>   
   >>> Whether he actually did so is unknown, as he has been unequivocally   
   >>> shown to be a pathological liar.   
   >>>   
   >>> Nevertheless, according to his own admission, he was a child molester   
   >>> and statutory rapist.   
   >>>   
   >>> --   
   >>   
   >> (To be considered)   
   >   
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