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   No, NastyGoon; that is not something that you proved. You didn't check   
   every volume of Creeley's poetry (only the Berkeley editions of the   
   Selected and Collected Poems), so all you've proved (assuming your   
   claims are accurate) is that the poem is not in those three books.   
      
   , you would not name the book that it was   
   > supposedly published in,   
      
   I already told you I'll give you the name of the book after I've   
   received my copy. I've also explained why I'm holding back: I'd like to   
   look at it myself first. Then, if it's there, I'll post the name of the   
   book and the page number; if it isn't, I'll post that and admit that my   
   source is no more reliable than you or MMP.   
      
   > you could or would not supply even the second   
   > line of the poem,   
      
   I probably could - my source gave it to me, but I didn't write it down   
   and would have to go back and ask again. But that's irrelevant, as no   
   one has been discussing the second lines of the two poems. There's no   
   reason to post any more lines of Creeley's poem, including L2.   
      
   > and you obfuscated with various attacks on us.   
      
   Like MMP, you have a bad habit of calling any disagreement with you an   
   "attack". I do consider you both trolls that can't be trusted, but that   
   hasn't colored anything I've said about the points in question: my   
   alleged "accusation of plagiarism" and your counter-accusation of   
   forgery.   
      
   > The   
   > logical conclusion is that you made it up (or your wife or daughter   
   > did).   
      
   That's not logical at all. I can understand why you'd like to conclude   
   that Creeley's "poem" was made up by me (or by my wife or daughter), but   
   you certainly have not proved that in any logical way.   
      
   > It was not sent to you magically, the angels did not float down   
   > one line to you, and the book did not fall open to the poem.   
      
   Now you're making up more strawmen to attack.   
      
   >>> Since you repeatedly refuse to do so, I can only conclude that no such   
   >>> proof exists.   
   >>   
   >> As I've just noted: since you failed to find the line or the poem I   
   >> cited, you   
   >> (and your Nasty "colleague") have concluded that I forged it.   
      
   > Someone seemingly did.  Who was that?   
      
   Both you and MMP. All you've claimed is that I forged the title and one   
   line, but then again, it's all I've posted so far - it I posted the   
   complete poem, or any more lines, you're likely to accuse me of forging   
   that as well.   
      
   > BTW, you should try to get over your jealousy and fear of us.  It's not   
   > good for your well-being.   
      
   I think you should get over your bad habit (which you've apparently   
   picked up from your "collegue" MMP) that those who disagree with you are   
   jealous of you. As I've told you before, it makes you sound like a   
   narcissist.   
      
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