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   >>> forgery (a far worse accusation) on as little proof. So I have to say   
   >>> that I don't believe you.   
   >   
   >> The proof is that the poem does not seem to exist, is not listed in any   
   >> volume of Creeley poetry   
   >   
   > No, NastyGoon; that is not something that you proved. You didn't check   
   > every volume of Creeley's poetry (only the Berkeley editions of the   
   > Selected and Collected Poems), so all you've proved (assuming your   
   > claims are accurate) is that the poem is not in those three books.   
   >   
   > , you would not name the book that it was   
   >> supposedly published in,   
   >   
   > I already told you I'll give you the name of the book after I've   
   > received my copy. I've also explained why I'm holding back: I'd like to   
   > look at it myself first. Then, if it's there, I'll post the name of the   
   > book and the page number; if it isn't, I'll post that and admit that my   
   > source is no more reliable than you or MMP.   
   >   
   >> you could or would not supply even the second   
   >> line of the poem,   
   >   
   > I probably could - my source gave it to me, but I didn't write it down   
   > and would have to go back and ask again. But that's irrelevant, as no   
   > one has been discussing the second lines of the two poems. There's no   
   > reason to post any more lines of Creeley's poem, including L2.   
   >   
   >> and you obfuscated with various attacks on us.   
   >   
   > Like MMP, you have a bad habit of calling any disagreement with you an   
   > "attack". I do consider you both trolls that can't be trusted, but that   
   > hasn't colored anything I've said about the points in question: my   
   > alleged "accusation of plagiarism" and your counter-accusation of   
   > forgery.   
   >   
   >> The   
   >> logical conclusion is that you made it up (or your wife or daughter   
   >> did).   
   >   
   > That's not logical at all. I can understand why you'd like to conclude   
   > that Creeley's "poem" was made up by me (or by my wife or daughter), but   
   > you certainly have not proved that in any logical way.   
   >   
   >> It was not sent to you magically, the angels did not float down   
   >> one line to you, and the book did not fall open to the poem.   
   >   
   > Now you're making up more strawmen to attack.   
   >   
   >>>> Since you repeatedly refuse to do so, I can only conclude that no such   
   >>>> proof exists.   
   >>>   
   >>> As I've just noted: since you failed to find the line or the poem I   
   >>> cited, you   
   >>> (and your Nasty "colleague") have concluded that I forged it.   
   >   
   >> Someone seemingly did.  Who was that?   
   >   
   > Both you and MMP. All you've claimed is that I forged the title and one   
   > line, but then again, it's all I've posted so far - it I posted the   
   > complete poem, or any more lines, you're likely to accuse me of forging   
   > that as well.   
   >   
   >> BTW, you should try to get over your jealousy and fear of us.  It's not   
   >> good for your well-being.   
   >   
   > I think you should get over your bad habit (which you've apparently   
   > picked up from your "collegue" MMP) that those who disagree with you are   
   > jealous of you. As I've told you before, it makes you sound like a   
   > narcissist.   
      
   This is really getting interesting.   
      
   I'm tempted to buy a copy of the book myself so I can finally read and   
   compare the Robert Creeley poem.   
      
   😏   
      
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