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   HarryLime to NancyGene   
   Re: Robert Creeley's poetry (4/4)   
   14 Feb 25 15:31:50   
   
   [continued from previous message]   
      
   > Someone did.   
   >>   
   >> Don't bother.  As previously noted, since you have promised to reveal   
   >> the source of this supposed poem (regardless of whether it appears in   
   >> your forthcoming copy), I have decided to once more grant you the   
   >> benefit of the doubt.   
   > We don't.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>>>> Since you repeatedly refuse to do so, I can only conclude that no such   
   >>>>>> proof exists.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> As I've just noted: since you failed to find the line [and title of the]   
   >>>>> poem I cited, you   
   >>>>> (and your Nasty "colleague") have concluded that I forged it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No, George.  I came to that conclusion based on 10 years of having   
   >>>> interacted with you here.   
   > We don't have that long of an exposure to George Dance's postings, but   
   > Mr. Dance paraphrases what other people write such that it changes the   
   > meaning, has selective memory, argues to the side of a point, and uses   
   > silly nicknames for people he doesn't like.   
      
   Apparently you've had exposure enough, as you've described George to a   
   T.   
      
   >>>   
   >>> You concluded that I forged it based on 10 years of seeing me forging   
   >>> poems? Oh, do please give me one example.   
   >>   
   >> That is not what I said, George.  I said that based on my past (and   
   >> current) exchanges with you, I believe that you are capable of doing   
   >> *anything* to win an argument ("forgery") included.   
   > And when he is wrong, he attacks the person who is right.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> At best, you have admitted that you only know about the poem from   
   >>>> hearsay   
   >>>   
   >>> I did not, Lying Michael.   
   >>>   
   >>> , yet have quoted it from someone else's memory,   
   >>>   
   >>> Nor did I say that I quoted it from another person's memory, Lying   
   >>> Michael.   
   >>   
   >> Just what did you say, George?   
   > George Dance said that his source told him (by some method) the first   
   > line, title, and book in which a poem by Robert Creeley was published.   
   > The source told George Dance the second line, but George Dance did not   
   > write that down.  We assume that George Dance wrote down the first line,   
   > the title, and the author of the poem, along with the book.  We conclude   
   > that George Dance was given this information orally, as otherwise it   
   > would already be available in print (if in an email or a site on-line).   
   >>   
   >> NancyGene and I have been prying out your proverbial teeth to obtain   
   >> what little information you've revealed.   
   > George Dance is feeling the heat in Canada.   
   >>   
   >> Like I said: if you just tell the truth about what happened, we wouldn't   
   >> have to try to weave the little shreds of material you've given us   
   >> together in an attempt to figure out what you're (not) talking about.   
   > It would have saved what little "face" George Dance has.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>> and accused   
   >>>> NancyGene of having copied it.   
   >>>   
   >>> Nor did I accuse NastyGoon of having "copied" it (since it was not   
   >>> copied, but changed), Lying Michael.   
   >>   
   >> A copy needn't be exact, George.   
   > If we were going to paraphrase our line, we would have changed the words   
   > that were changed in the "Creeley" version.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> That's three lies in a row from you, Lying Michael, all of them attempts   
   >>> by you to change the meaning of something I did tell you.   
   >>   
   >> Again, all of them attempts to make sense out of what little you did   
   >> tell us.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>> Isn't that   
   >>> what you were pre-emptively accusing me of doing in this thread just   
   >>> today? Why, yes, it is. So go ahead and accuse me of playing "IKYABWAI"   
   >>> again.   
   >>   
   >> I don't know what you're talking about, George?  You are saying that   
   >> I've pre-emptively accused you of telling three lies in a row?  WTF does   
   >> that even mean?   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>> Do you really think that's any better than if you had actually forged   
   >>>> it?   
   >>>   
   >>> I think the worst thing one can accuse another writer of s forgery. So   
   >>> you go on  milking that charge; you still have over a week till the book   
   >>> arrives.   
   >>   
   >> Again, I am once more giving you the benefit of the doubt -- contingent   
   >> upon your revealing the source once your mysterious book arrives.   
   >   
   > We assume that George Dance will examine, word by word, page by page,   
   > every inch of the tome to make the momentous discovery of a new Robert   
   > Creeley poem!   
      
   LOL!  I'm guessing that he'll come to the conclusion that the elusive   
   line of poetry was written be someone else (unknown) and mistakenly   
   attributed to Creeley.   
      
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